Pls! Urgent help with sound design for documentary project

Greetings creatures of higher intellect than mine!
I have a looming school project that requires a very special vintage atmosphere
I will let it speak for itself, I am trying to reproduce this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7sCPPMjBaY&feature=related


I am working with these tools:
Izotope Ozone
Audioease speakerphone

I am done with the video and the
noise track, but the voice track is the only one that does not
work out, it is really really hard for me to get that "in the box" sound

worst thing is, I am running out of time for this school project

Any help will be appreciated

(What a shame...can't get it to work)

Not really sure what you mean by 'that "in the box" sound'?

Not really sure what you mean by 'that "in the box" sound'?

(boxy: browse through the impulse responses in speakerphone...usually box shaped devices tend to have that sound)

So doesn't the Speakerphone Impulse get you the sound you require? If it doesn't then it maybe the method of delivery of the dialogue or the way or acoustic in which it was recorded that stop the effect working effectively

I've thought about it but you can clearly see it is a re-enactment.
I thought the idea was just firing up some speakerphone and call it a day
but when I cross-reference the spectral I get very different (not even similar results)
why am i saying this? well, if I say "i do not like it" it is subjective, but if I say the frequency
shape does not match it is because it just does not.
I even tried getting the original remastered twilight zone theme and tried to age it myself....to no avail it does not sound the similar enough
on to of that I tried to immitate the signal in "less" conventional ways by recording my own impulse response
on altiverb, but that did not work...

I am getting frustrated here....please I know you guys may know a better way than going out and buying a 60's tv (that would involve vhs intentional degrading and there was no vhs back then...)

but when I cross-reference the spectral I get very different (not even similar results)

That's hardly surprising - the original is distorted and compressed, which alters the spectral distribution more than somewhat. Strikes me that all you really need to do is to get the frequency response correct (which involves rolling off some of the bass, and quite a bit of the treble above 5-6kHz), and adding some distortion and compression of all the peaks, and perhaps a very tiny amount of very short room reverb. if necessary. If you don't do all of this (although the reverb bit may be optional) then you won't have reproduced what actually happens in your average small boomy box.

That's the secret to most of these things - analyse what actually happens, and mimic that as best you can.

but when I cross-reference the spectral I get very different (not even similar results)

That's hardly surprising - the original is distorted and compressed, which alters the spectral distribution more than somewhat. Strikes me that all you really need to do is to get the frequency response correct (which involves rolling off some of the bass, and quite a bit of the treble above 5-6kHz), and adding some distortion and compression of all the peaks, and perhaps a very tiny amount of very short room reverb. if necessary. If you don't do all of this (although the reverb bit may be optional) then you won't have reproduced what actually happens in your average small boomy box.

That's the secret to most of these things - analyse what actually happens, and mimic that as best you can.

...said the maestro casually while disarming five opponents with his other hand 

Quick and dirty method:

1 - Roll off the bass and treble (as SteveG described) - that will give you the limited frequency response needed.

2 - Play the modified file through a loudspeaker and re-record with a microphone placed at some distance from the cone - that will introduce the room 'boxiness' required.

You'll have to experiment with the mic placing to get the required amount of room into the mix.

but when I cross-reference the spectral I get very different (not even similar results)

That's the secret to most of these things - analyse what actually happens, and mimic that as best you can.

imitation...that.... I had an idea but you just made it clearer. I want to thank you for the input.
I could have just gone directly to editing without saying thanks but I decided against that.
Getting hands dirty now.
Thanks Audio Sensei SteveG

Quick and dirty method:

1 - Roll off the bass and treble (as SteveG described) - that will give you the limited frequency response needed.

2 - Play the modified file through a loudspeaker and re-record with a microphone placed at some distance from the cone - that will introduce the room 'boxiness' required.

You'll have to experiment with the mic placing to get the required amount of room into the mix.

THANKS! with step one, it is starting to sound better but since I have no hardware available here (small apartment) I will start experimenting with some cones and rooms included in speaker phone.
Would that be ok Audio Sensei?
Thanks in advance Graeme!

I had never heard of Speakerphone until this thread appeared.  Having watched the demo, I would have thought you should be able to achieve your desred end result using that alone.  It has all the tools you need. 

Slightly OT but...

Having followed Graeme's example and looked at the Speakerphone 2 demo, I note the System Requirements page suggests that it is not currently compatible with Adobe Audition!

I wonder what DAW/host program the OP is using?  I would guess we are all assuming it is AA?

Jeff

[because it loads as a VST plug in.]

Slightly OT but...

Having followed Graeme's example and looked at the Speakerphone 2 demo, I note the System Requirements page suggests that it is not currently compatible with Adobe Audition!

I wonder what DAW/host program the OP is using?  I would guess we are all assuming it is AA?

Jeff

With all due respect sir,

I may be a student but I know the basic history of cool edit and how it became one of Adobe's many acquisitions. I am also able to see the logos above as well as asking the questions I ask based on the criteria that this is an Audition-centric forum (not limited to, but strongly related).
That being said,


DESPITE THIS NOTE

*please note that at this moment
Speakerphone 2 is not compatible with:
Adobe Audition

Of course both Speakerphone and Altiverb are compatible!
because it loads as a VST plug in.
There is a caveat though, adobe audition 3 does not like both at the same time
so in the plug in mananger one has to be disabled and in audition 2 the same rule applies (only one at the time)
I initially struggled with this though.




Windows (XP & Vista)

Copy Protection:
iLok usb key or challenge/response hard disk authorization

Minimal requirements:
• Pentium 4 @ 1.6 GHz or equivalent
• 512 MB main memory
• Display card with true color 1024x800 resolution
• 5 GB free space on hard disk
• Windows XP SP2
• a 32 bits (x86) host application supporting either an RTAS or VST plug-in



http://www.audioease.com/Pages/Speakerphone/speakerphone_system_requirements.html


This is one of the many situations that baffles the mind,
a company says one thing and reality another....(perhaps money or animosity
towards windows from their mac-centered school of thought? too late Audition is coming to mac too )
if there are any questions I may even upload a couple of screen shots

Best regards

I had never heard of Speakerphone until this thread appeared.  Having watched the demo, I would have thought you should be able to achieve your desred end result using that alone.  It has all the tools you need. 

That is what I thought (gullibly so, since it is not the tool but my expertise what is at fault here)
I had to ask my teacher for some extra time since we are not the only  group struggling with audio
I am still working on it as much as possible. It happens to be so relevant due to the fact that depending on this I myself would have a passing or failing grade...

That is why I am so grateful for all your kind help forum members

going back to work!

[because it loads as a VST plug in.]

With all due respect sir,

I may be a student but I know the basic history of cool edit and how it became one of Adobe's many acquisitions. I am also able to see the logos above as well as asking the questions I ask based on the criteria that this is an Audition-centric forum (not limited to, but strongly related).
That being said,


DESPITE THIS NOTE

*please note that at this moment
Speakerphone 2 is not compatible with:
Adobe Audition

Of course both Speakerphone and Altiverb are compatible!
because it loads as a VST plug in.
There is a caveat though, adobe audition 3 does not like both at the same time
so in the plug in mananger one has to be disabled and in audition 2 the same rule applies (only one at the time)
I initially struggled with this though.




Windows (XP & Vista)

Copy Protection:
iLok usb key or challenge/response hard disk authorization

Minimal requirements:
• Pentium 4 @ 1.6 GHz or equivalent
• 512 MB main memory
• Display card with true color 1024x800 resolution
• 5 GB free space on hard disk
• Windows XP SP2
• a 32 bits (x86) host application supporting either an RTAS or VST plug-in



http://www.audioease.com/Pages/Speakerphone/speakerphone_system_requirements.html


This is one of the many situations that baffles the mind,
a company says one thing and reality another....(perhaps money or animosity
towards windows from their mac-centered school of thought? too late Audition is coming to mac too )
if there are any questions I may even upload a couple of screen shots

Best regards

Thank you for this answer.  I was NOT questioning your intellect, but merely wondering which DAW you were using since, according to Audioease own website, it is not compatible with AA.

From my own experience I know that not all VSTs play happily with AA and so wondered if Speakerphone was one of those; clearly it is not.

Jeff