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Reply #15
« on: December 06, 2006, 06:32:47 PM »
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Okay, looooooooong post...

Not sure if you are looking for ideas for new hosting...
Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately in some ways, we have learned the hard way that we have to be really careful about the host service we use, because the databases are quite large, and there are some specific requirements that have to be met in order to run a PSP service effectively. For most 'normal' hosting services, this means that we have to buy into the relatively expensive packages, even though we don't use all of the facilities. And then we run into the problems that the host doesn't tell you about in their llist of wonderful features - like how they are going to behave when several searches at the same time appear to eat up their shared processor cycles in huge numbers.

To your average user this doesn't show, and for quite a lot of the time it's not a problem. The trouble is that at any given time you can potentially end up with a large number of guests searching the site, and I think that this is when things sometimes get a bit sticky as far as the host goes - we are victims of our own, pretty much invisible to the end user, popularity.

If you want some sort of idea of the potential magnitude of the problem, you should look at the Music Software Internet Popularity site - Audition/CEP is consistently ranked as the 3rd most popular search. And if you look at the 'products in transition' page linked to it, you will find that there is still a pretty equal split between AA and CEP - which is why our archive still gets a lot of hits, this being the only large repository of CEP information on the net at all. I think that AudioMasters and Adobe themselves get the lion's share of all of the search hits, one way or another, and this may well be at the root of our hosting problems.

Assuming that there's a germ of truth in all this, it raises some interesting questions, of course... One thing we have tried to do is to get Google to index the site, and then let people use their dedicated search engine instead of ours. But this is not without its problems either - incidentally not helped in the slightest by the host forcing even temporary path changes upon  us. And when people realise that the site is here with its own search engine, they stop using the Google search anyway, and we are back to square one.

Ideally we need to use a dedicated server - but this is not a cheap option, and I don't really see why a few subscribers should prop up the rest of the non-contributing internet users.  One potential way of paying for this is for the site to take advertising, of course, but we really don't want to go down this route. Another way is to force people to pay a small subscription in order to join, and this idea has some appeal as far as I'm concerned, although it also goes somewhat against the grain as far as the original concept of the site goes. I suppose that one option is to restrict guest users to manually poking about in the site, and not using the search engine and this, combined with a small subscription, might resolve a few issues - but I really can't tell without performing some sort of experiment, ideally, or at least taking a poll of existing users (which automatically excludes the people I really want to ask, so it isn't really a good way to find out). I suspect that the whole thing wouldn't be very popular though - people expect all this stuff to be free at source, unfortunately.

I should say that whilst I have absolutely no objection at all to outlining any of this publically, you have to bear in mind that most of the options have been discussed at some length by the management before, and it's unlikely that options that we haven't in some way considered already in one form or another would come forward. I'd be quite interested to hear what others think about subscription possibilities, though, because if there was a will, and enough cash donations to pay for a dedicated server, that's what I'd personally go for. To do it at all would require approximately 3 times the amount we generally get from a subscription drive now.

The current financial situation, incidentally, is that we presently have enough money in the coffers to pay for another year (Feb to Feb) of hosting at the same level we have now. And the domains are paid for for another year and a half, up to July 2008.

Comments are of course welcome...
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Reply #16
« on: December 07, 2006, 01:59:45 AM »
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One of the things that intrigues me slightly, in view of what I said about searches, (and also considering that it's not about AA/CEP as such) is that the thread that's been hit most on these forums is the one about E-Mu's 0404 card, which has been viewed 184,270 times in the last two years. Why is anything we had to say about it so popular, I wonder? That's not an insignificant number of hits...
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Reply #17
« on: December 07, 2006, 10:28:04 AM »
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Personally I have no objection to a subscription if it improves the stability of the forum. What I would like to see is a differentiation between the dedicated membership and the casual browsers. If you split the facilities between the subscribers and the guests, for example:  no search engine for guests, read forums but no posting, some forums subscription only (OT - stop the trolls!) etc.

Whatever is decided, it is guaranteed that some people won't like it - that's life. If I don't like the solution I'll go away, but that doesn't mean I don't think something should happen.
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Reply #18
« on: December 08, 2006, 07:20:03 PM »
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... the thread that's been hit most on these forums is the one about E-Mu's 0404 card, which has been viewed 184,270 times in the last two years.

I always thought it would be the String Line Mix topic the number 1 at AM. Surprising.

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people expect all this stuff to be free at source, unfortunately.

This is to me the main problem, AM is a wonderful resource not just for Audition users but for audio enthusiasts in general, ranging from the radio world to home recording people, like myself, and people really shouldn't expect all of this to be free.

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I'd be quite interested to hear what others think about subscription possibilities, though, because if there was a will, and enough cash donations to pay for a dedicated server, that's what I'd personally go for.

I would gladly pay a small subscription fee to AM, and personally think that most users around here would do the same. Not only would it benefit the community, by reducing the community to users that are really interested and are willing to contribute, but it would also allow AM to be hosted on a much more reliable and stable dedicated host.

Let's see what the majority of users think!  smiley
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