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« on: February 04, 2006, 11:25:13 AM »
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Just in case anyone has the same problem, I found that I was getting unstable and glitchy recordings with AA2.0 under my usual operating environment. The solution turned out to be disabling CPUIdle during recording...
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« on: February 04, 2006, 06:07:02 PM »
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Is CPUIdle something you installed to cool your CPU?
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« on: February 04, 2006, 06:19:44 PM »
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In the days of DOS-based Windows, the idle loop could still be a busy loop, and programs like CPUIdle could have a function.  However, in NT and its successors, the idle loop is a stop instruction, and so cannot be improved on.  The only way left to cool your processor more is to buy a better fan, or to force it to run slower (which can be done by getting a cheaper processor in the first place!) - but as you'll end up executing the same instructions in the end, I doubt that slowing it down has much effect. CPUIdle is probably simply stopping your processor to let it cool down just when you want it to be running...

Paul
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« on: February 04, 2006, 09:24:54 PM »
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Quote from: pwhodges
In the days of DOS-based Windows, the idle loop could still be a busy loop, and programs like CPUIdle could have a function.  However, in NT and its successors, the idle loop is a stop instruction, and so cannot be improved on.  The only way left to cool your processor more is to buy a better fan, or to force it to run slower (which can be done by getting a cheaper processor in the first place!) - but as you'll end up executing the same instructions in the end, I doubt that slowing it down has much effect. CPUIdle is probably simply stopping your processor to let it cool down just when you want it to be running...

Paul


On the contrary - running XP Pro, and at least one of my processors does have a tendency to overheat without it - and the difference in measured CPU temperature is clear to see when using CPUIdle. This is especially important here in the summer, when temperatures climb somewhat...

I should add that I have fans a plenty. CPUIdle does exactly what it claims and they have a happy customer here! Cool

The last time I switched it out for an extended period (and I can't remember why) I lost a day's intensive FSE editing thanks to a BSOD. cry
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« on: February 04, 2006, 11:44:25 PM »
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Hmm.  Well, I can't deny facts.  Reading up about this I am finding it very hard to find anything that explains what CPU cooling programs do in Windows XP.  I suspect they throttle back the CPU clock, as many CPUs have a slowdown mechanism that they can invoke when they overheat - indeed, my BIOS has settings for controlling that.  I have found reports of system instability with CPUIdle, though, which might tally with your experience.

I'd rather sort out the system cooling myself, though, so that the CPU can work as intended.  My home server is in the loft, and when the summer temperature in there reaches 45 degrees, the CPU is still no more than 55.  Careful attention to airflow through the case is probably the key, especially if you have one CPU apparently running hotter than the other.

Paul
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« on: February 05, 2006, 03:43:39 AM »
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I don't know about CPUidle, or Rain, which is another similar program,

but new AMD computers have a hardware and software "Cool&Quiet" feature which lowers the cpu's voltage and multiplier.  I've never had this option enabled, but if these kind of things give AA2.0 problems, at least I have made it aware to others.
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