any update on Vista support?

Dell wants to give me a copy of Vista for my XPS PC.  I saw a thread from last summer speculating on compatibility but now that it's out I am wondering if a) Adobe is supporting it, and/or b) if anyone's been brave enough to try it yet.  I guess ASIO driver support would also be key. 

My Audition environment is so unstable I hesitate to try an upgrade - or maybe it will mysteriously solve all my problems!!  Ha ha, hope springs eternal... 

Besides all that "content protection" stuff that will add tens of thousands of lines of potentially buggy code to every audio aspect, a causal glance at various threads here and there seems to say that not many manufacturers have so far produced soundcard drivers.

Gee, Andy, you don't sound so upbeat....
I am very hesitant to act as crash test dummy, but was curious if any crash test results have yet come in.

There are threads about Vista in every audio forum I've visited, such as the one in the OT section here. Having exceedingly little interests, I haven't paid very much attention to what people are saying. In fact, my first post above pretty much covers just about everything I've gleaned. I have seen a couple of comments about how great Vista should be for professional audio, but nothing about why the poster so believes. I probably wasn't paying enough attention.

An no, I'm never very upbeat about coercion, especially the sort proclaimed to be applied for our own good.

An no, I'm never very upbeat about coercion, especially the sort proclaimed to be applied for our own good.

Hear, hear.

No Edward, Andy is 100% on this and every thread I've come across says the same thing. If it was so good, the drivers would already be upgraded as well.

One or two people at the Adobe forum have posted saying that Audition works fine in Vista. But before rushing to try it, we should check the web sites of our audio card makers to see if the audio card drivers support Vista. My E-MU 1820 for instance:

http://ask.americas.creative.com/wwenglish/vista/vista_driver_matrix_de.htm

Listed under Creative Professional (E-MU) .. and the situation is "to be announced" .. I will contact them and let you know.

It would be a good idea to make a sticky thread with a list of cards that do have Vista compatible drivers. But I can feel a few people itching to tell us to avoid Windows Vista for Audition use completely, and if this is so, then would that be an official Audiomasters Forum view or a personal one? Does the forum officially support Windows Vista or not? If the answer is no because Adobe have't given Audition Vista support as yet, What about an official statement from Adobe on this.

As of end of last week following companies had no specific Vista drivers

-Alesis

-Cakewalk

-Digidesign

-Edirol

-EMU

-Focusrite

-Frontier Design

-Lexicon

-Line 6

-Lynx

-PreSonus

-Tapco

-Tascam

There are some spotty, limit, anecdotal reports concerning success (and failure) of various A/D cards

M-Audio (no drivers as of 1/26) specifically said their 64 bit drivers do not work with Vista

Does the forum officially support Windows Vista or not?

The forum doesn't 'support' any particular Windows OS at all. But as far as Vista is concerned, until Adobe make some sort of positive statement about it (which is unlikely to happen for 2.0, because it wasn't tested with it), there isn't any particular point in making a lot of noise about supporting it in any special way on the forum.

I'm not at all surprised that soundcard manufacturers are dragging their heels - it costs a lot of money to develop a driver that's registered with MS, and I bet that the actual registration approval process takes some time too. Unless you are going to sell hundreds of thousands of soundcards that use it, it's hardly likely to be your top priority. So currently  existing cards are likely to come very much second in the development process to new ones, I'd think. Certainly that would apply to Creative - they depend on shifting product, not supporting it, and I bet they keep E-Mu's nose well and truly to the grindstone...

Seems pretty clear that the right path for the moment is....

DO NOTHING.

Happy to follow it.

Seems pretty clear that the right path for the moment is....

DO NOTHING.

Happy to follow it.

My past experience with Microsoft has been to wait until ALL the "dust" has cleared...Worst experience was upgrading from Win98SE to Windows Millenium/2000...I'm extremely happy with the way XP is performing for me so I will keep truckin' along with it until I'm sure that Vista is going to be totally compatible with all the DAW software, hardware and plugins that I've purchased over the past few years...

Just my 2¢ worth...

One or two people at the Adobe forum have posted saying that Audition works fine in Vista. But before rushing to try it, we should check the web sites of our audio card makers to see if the audio card drivers support Vista. My E-MU 1820 for instance:

http://ask.americas.creative.com/wwenglish/vista/vista_driver_matrix_de.htm

Listed under Creative Professional (E-MU) .. and the situation is "to be announced" .. I will contact them and let you know.

It would be a good idea to make a sticky thread with a list of cards that do have Vista compatible drivers. But I can feel a few people itching to tell us to avoid Windows Vista for Audition use completely, and if this is so, then would that be an official Audiomasters Forum view or a personal one? Does the forum officially support Windows Vista or not? If the answer is no because Adobe have't given Audition Vista support as yet, What about an official statement from Adobe on this.

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Adobe charges a good price for their applications.  We are not talking about "freeware" here.  Foundational Vista code has been out there for a year or more.  A substantial number of applications have provided updates, including Intel, RealTek and other soundcard companies.  Adobe really has no legitimate excuse for not dealing with the problem, or at least giving some indication that they care about the customer experience with their product.

In my limited exposure to it, Vista has worked well and has been stable.  Is it perfect?  No.  What is perfect?  No, the MAC isn't perfect either. 

As a network administrator, I am not going to bring Vista into my company's environment, just yet.  However, I do have to be conversant on the OS because it is selling well.  Saying "do nothing" may work for the less technically oriented.  However, my clients expect more from me, including getting their systems working and the subsystems working well.  They tend to want the latest and greatest in applications and Operating Systems.

This is what I have done, so far, in order to get Audition going.  If you have suggestions as to other solutions I can use, I will very much appreciate it.

I have followed fairly standard step-by-step diagnostic procedures.  I also found an updated "Vista" sound card driver on the Realtek website that gives me better sound, but nothing in/for Adobe Audition. The updated sound drivers did not solve the problem.   I have looked into the ASIO drivers, and installed a substitute ASIO driver that is called ASIO4ALL, V2.  The sound card is a Realtek (Intel) AC`97 and is reporting itself as a 16Bit system.  I found that fairly surprising on a 2 yr old ASUSTEK based notebook board, but I have had other surprises in life.

Other audio applications, including Goldwave and Dragon Naturally Speaking accept audio input from the sound system.  Dragon (Nuance) had their update ready to go when Vista was launched.  So, I know that both Audio in put and Audio out put work.  Another test that I have performed is to install a SamsonTech C01U USB microphone.  Again, Adobe Audition will not accept input from that.  I am about to put the Windows XP drive back into the notebook (Spartan 1533 built on an ASUS Z7100 kit). 

There is a Control Panel in Audition, under Edit-->Preferences that allows user selection of Audio input and output devices.  In the advanced mode I can click on the AC`97 as an audio input, but the Audtion system will not recognize it (even though it is available on their control panel).  The frustration is the amount of time invested to not get the desired result, and the fact that no on at Adobe seems to think solving the Vista problems is a priority.  My call to, and other interactions with Adobe technical support have left me planning to choose an alternative to Adobe for my next Audio Studio Software investment.

The reality is that VISTA sales are slower than Bill expected, and it's because many XP users cannot upgrade because they're waiting for VISTA compaitibilty in software and drivers. To be fair, the arrival of VISTA was announced .. delayed .. announced .. delayed further .. so I'm not at all surprised developers weren't ready, they've been led a merry dance by Microsoft! I think we should all be ready to upgrade to VISTA in a couple of months time.

Adobe charges a good price for their applications.  We are not talking about "freeware" here.  Foundational Vista code has been out there for a year or more.  A substantial number of applications have provided updates, including Intel, RealTek and other soundcard companies.  Adobe really has no legitimate excuse for not dealing with the problem, or at least giving some indication that they care about the customer experience with their product.

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As a network administrator, I am not going to bring Vista into my company's environment, just yet. []
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Don't want to spend a lot of time deconstructing the above post (because it simply is not worth the effort . . . any points he thinks he makes have been adequately refuted in this and other threads)

one of the themes that chases throughout this forum (at least from those who are experienced and helpful (and I'm not categorizing myself as either)) is that it is vitally important to select the correct tools for your specific target goal .. . what might be described as the original 'geometry' of ones solution is vitally critical in determining both the limits and budgetary cost (and budgets are always time & money) of that solution.

joiner and cross peen hammers might look similar but they are targeted at different 'solutions', different goals.  To a novice a club hammer might appear to be at least as good if not better choice for framing with ten penny nails then a 16 oz claw hammer . . . generally speaking that is not the case.

I don't think anyone here would mistake me for a fan of Adobe but to castigate the company and by extension the product because it is a cross peen hammer when you decide you need a dead blow hammer (or a cross cut saw in the case of Dragon Naturally speaking) simply indicates that the poster, for all his IT tech credentials simply (and fairly thoroughly) misunderstands some fundamental elements concerning 'audio' work (editing specifically) and more importantly functional (i.e. profit driven) software development cycles.

No research I've reviewed in any way suggests that Vista provides any serious enhancements to existing audio editing capabilities.  In fact an accurate parsing of evidence suggests the opposite.  Even more importantly no evidence I've reviewed suggests that Vista provides enhancements to any non-Vista centric, Vista specific mission critical function (in any standard area of computer use) . . . in that case OS upgrade should be driven by hardware or software cycles:

you decide which tools are required for the goal you need to accomplish . . . then as best you can you attempt to integrate them .. . Audio 'work' still tests the limits of consumer hardware, while it's cost have declined there is a reason by a RADAR system costs what it costs, why four channel A/D interfaces are not common (compare price on IO/14 & 26) .. . Wintell systems have made a valiant effort to allow consumer configuration, integration of a broad range of hardware software . . . but there is a cost: the oversized roller ball pointing device I use in conjunction with audio editing does not permit my brand & configuration of laptop to 'hibernate'.  Both laptop & trackball mnfc are prime time suppliers yet it is unlikely that more then a handful of people across the globe attempt to integrate the two products in exactly the way I do (and it is possible that the culprit is actually the driver for the pen tablet anyway (even when the pen tablet is not present)

while doing audio work I don't want the system to hibernate (don't even want a timing loop leading towards hibernation to be present) anyway, but it's still a frustrating problem . . . but both, individually and together, the laptop and trackball provide enough enhanced capability for my 'goal' that I live with the irritation  any modern IT pro should recognize that any 'system' is at best a nested series of rube goldberg compromises

While much of professional audio work is fashion driven, to be a professional doing audio it is . . . not merely important but imperative to recognize the difference among fashion & function driven decisions.  No matter how long the beta cycle to swap out a stable OS for the newest, days after its release, is not only a fashion driven decision but one that (very generally speaking) tends to short change clients

When mission critical hardware, mission critical software demand a specific OS is roughly when you need enough experience with that OS's eccentricities to make the transition seamlessly (wishful thinking of course) . . . Adobe strategy precludes 'patches' between version upgrades . . . I would not want them to succumb to fashion hysteria at the expense of stability and function . . .

and for MS, at this point in their biography, to not have Vista make dual boot systems ridiculously easy to implement is not only negligent but another critical bit of evidence supporting restraint (from leaping on the Vista bandwagon)