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« on: August 04, 2008, 02:18:55 PM »
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Here are two sound for song classical guitar called cavatina. The first one is played by me. The second is played by famouse performer.
I recorded the sound on the Windows Movie Maker program by using nurmal Microphone.

My question is : How to make the quality of the  first sound ( Cavatina1 ) That I recorded, like second sound ( Cavatina2), by using adobe audition or another program.

And Thank you for help.
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« on: August 04, 2008, 04:53:19 PM »
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What's a 'normal' microphone - for acoustic guitar, I would look to a small diaphragm condenser as a starting point.

Generally speaking, you don't improve the quality of a recording by fiddling around with it after the take.  A recording should be as good as you can make it through using the correct mic, placement, instrument, player, etc. 

In your case, a good starting point would be to tune the instrument and try again.
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« on: August 05, 2008, 01:54:13 PM »
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The mic is using for voice ( in chating example ), the price is about 1$
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« on: August 05, 2008, 05:04:46 PM »
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In which case, a good starting point would be to buy a better mic, tune the instrument and try again.

Of course, the mic is only part of the chain, you may need a decent pre-amp to go with it - rather depends on what else you have available.
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« on: August 08, 2008, 09:14:48 PM »
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Also bear in mind that in the case of classical guitar, the room in which you are recording is supposed to be just as much a part of the sound of the "instrument."  The "famous guitarist" clip is too close for my taste, just a little.  Give the acoustic instruments a little acoustic!  Sure, you can do this electronically, but there's nothing exactly like the real thing.
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« on: August 08, 2008, 09:58:00 PM »
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  The "famous guitarist" clip is too close for my taste, just a little.  Give the acoustic instruments a little acoustic!  Sure, you can do this electronically, but there's nothing exactly like the real thing.

May  more clearly please about this clause I couldn't understand waht you mean about the famous... and the acoustic instrument.



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« on: August 11, 2008, 07:37:14 PM »
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I'm referring to the fact that a commercial recording of this sort is made in a live-acoustic studio or hall and that the sound of the room is very important to the overall beauty of a recording of any non-electronic instrument.
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« on: August 11, 2008, 08:16:35 PM »
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I have had a bit of experience with recording classical and non-classical solo acoustic guitar, and MC's point is very important. The musician likes to feel the interaction between instrument and room - listening to Julian Bream's recordings of guitar and lute will give some examples of this. Also, the dynamics of this type of instrument mean that too close a mic position may lead to trouble. I've recorded guitar in a large general purpose radio studio where we had to keep trying the mic further and further away from the performer and ended up (from memory) between 15 and 20 feet from the guitarist.

Having said that, I've recorded my own out of tune playing of non-classical acoustic guitar by having a decent mic about 18 inches away and adding some reverb in Audition as appropriate. I found that here at home, using an omni condenser mic gave a better sound than any of my directional mics, but this again has more to do with the room than what is being recorded.

My other observation is that no-one should underestimate the difficulty in recording yourself playing an acoustic solo instrument. I find that I have to arrive by trial and error at a reasonable recording set up, then let the recorder "roll" and only then relax and forget about recording, just concentrate on the performance. The great thing about digital editing is that you no longer end up with huge piles of discarded tape on the cutting room floor.
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« on: August 12, 2008, 12:23:00 PM »
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Assuming you want to do this on the cheap - you should look at an inexpensive audio interface - i'd recommend two channels so you can record in stereo - if not now, at some point in the future.  The Presonus Inspire seems to be well liked by buyers and can be had for about $150 or less.  Connects to your computer by firewire.  Some onboard sound cards will make a passable recording, but you still need external preamps ... so a low end external audio interface is probably your best bet.

Then you need a pair of microphones - well, at least one.  I haven't been shopping the low end mics for a while, so I'm not sure what's good for the price out there.  $100 is about as low as I'd go when buying a mic though.  Small Diaphragm Condensers are popular for guitar recording.

Just bumped into this which might allow you to record with your existing sound card - http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/MAudio-MXL-990991-and-Audio-Buddy-Package?sku=703626 - very cheap - for two mics and a stereo preamp.  This isn't good stuff - but it covers the basics and the price is right.  If your internal sound card isn't very noisy it might get you there.

You also need a pair of microphone cables, two mic stands, and a cable to go from your preamp to the line-in on your computer - or a firewire cable if you are using an external interface with preamps.  You can probably get a couple of crappy mic stands and cables for a total of $50.

As far as makeshift acoustic treatments, hanging quilts or blankets in a room can tone down the characteristic ring of a residential room.  If you don't have a lot of quilts, moving pads work great for that.

If you have a little money to spend, let us know your budget and we can get a little more specific.

One of my very first recordings was a classical guitar and vocal duo.  This was recorded live with a rented AKG C1000 microphone on guitar, a dynamic (Beyer M300) on vocal, and a Mackie VLZ mixer for preamps.  I think the Audio Interface was a MOTU 24i.  Recorded into Auditions predecessor, Cool Edit Pro.  The reverb was mostly software.
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« on: November 20, 2008, 11:10:58 AM »
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My advice is, you should consider your tones (The way you produce your sound on a Guitar). There's no way you can record a great sound like the professional recordings if you recorded a guitar with poor quality tones. If you're a musician you'll understand what I'm saying. It will be a great improvement If you'll consider that. Besides, a bad recorded material is no fun to mix. 
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« on: November 20, 2008, 10:04:23 PM »
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It takes all of the above.  I have recorded one of the world's preeminent classical guitarists.  His tones are absolutely as lovely as anyone's will ever be.  But with the wrong mic positioning or acoustic support, it just isn't lovely.

All of the above!
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« on: April 08, 2009, 09:27:02 AM »
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MusicConductor Can you tell me who is the preeminent Classical Guitarist that you had help with the recording? Well I'm just interested because I'm dying to know who is the man behind John Williams's recording. I'm just wondering, could it be you?
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« on: April 08, 2009, 08:00:03 PM »
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I don't do anything so prominent, so the answer is no, sorry to say!  When I say I've recorded someone famous, it was NOT for a released recording, and part of a non-paying event.  But it was an educational experience, by which I improved my skills and better understood the instrument. 

The world's finest guitarists are pretty much owned by their record labels, so they'd be recorded by full-time engineers mutually agreed upon, sometimes at major studios or venues.  I ain't any o'that.
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