Issues with Layla & 2.0

Well I finally got my rack into the house to try out my whole setup with 2.0.  I'm pretty dissappointed at the moment.  I can't get 2.0 to record more than a few minutes without it stopping for no reason.  If you can imagine an analog deck coming to a stop with the heads still engaged that's roughly what happens.  The timer stops counting, disk space stops depleting, but I have to actually hit "stop" to regain access to program functions.  I've tried both available versions of Echo's drivers (6.08 & 6.11) to no avail.  It doesn't seem to matter how much disk space is available. It dropped out whether there was 600Mb left or 60Gb left.  Track count had some impact on long it goes.  6 Tracks went between 3-10 minutes on various tries.  24 tracks went 1-4 minutes on various tries.  Scrolling is disabled.  Monitoring set to external.  All automation turned off.  My primary task is live concert recording so I have no immediate need for realtime monitoring or effects.  Audition only shows Echo's ASIO driver in the drop down menu so I can't even try the purewave or plain wdm.
I would blame Echo's drivers, but I tried this setup with Vegas 6 (also recently acquired) and it worked fine.  Previously, this rig worked OK with 1.5 using the purewave drivers.  I just couldn't abide the situation with the .tmp files.
Any thoughts?
JTC

Audition's ASIO support is not very good.  I recommend turning up your ASIO buffer size, and make sure the "Release ASIO Driver in Background" is unchecked.

ASIO4ALL can find your ECHO's hidden WDM drivers, if they are truly installed.  It then wraps them in its own ASIO driver which it sends to Audition.  It is free.

www.asio4all.com

ASIO4ALL can find your ECHO's hidden WDM drivers, if they are truly installed.  It then wraps them in its own ASIO driver which it sends to Audition.  It is free.

www.asio4all.com

I haven't had success using ASIO4ALL with my Layla (asio4all says it is "beyond comprehension") but YMMV.

Just discovered how to get to WDM & Purewave from within Audition.  You have to choose "Audition Windows Sound" then click control panel and select the devices you want.  I apologize if that was a bit of an RTFM moment.  Still pretty dissappointed by the ASIO performance.
JTC

Just discovered how to get to WDM & Purewave from within Audition.  You have to choose "Audition Windows Sound" then click control panel and select the devices you want.  I apologize if that was a bit of an RTFM moment.  Still pretty dissappointed by the ASIO performance.
JTC

Yes it is very disappointing.  You might want to read through my posts in the "Audition 2 and ASIO - problems" thread for an idea of just how bad it is compared to other programs.

Ok, just got through choosing all my Echo wdm/purewave i/o via the "Audition Windows Sound" control panel.  Then I look again and realize Audition is reporting my Laylas as 16bit devices!  I'm not sure how I'll be able to tell if this is just a reporting error in the display or if Audition will lopp off evrything via wdm at 16bits.  The laylas are 24 bit, but if I have Audition set to 32bit depth then wav files will be 32bit regardless of whether Audition used all 24 or truncated to 16.  Aaaarrrggghh!

I sent a message to Echo to look into this possible problem but I also noted the driver posted on the 22nd of September is issue 6.13 which suggests an ASIO rewrite so this may help.

Mark

I can't see that this has anything at all to do with ASIO - it would either run or it wouldn't surely?

Here I've recorded a live symphony concert (ok, only 4 tracks and at 44.1/16) with complete confidence using a laptop/Traveler combo, and on the home system it's recorded all night.  There has to be some reason for it stopping on your particular installation.

There are known issues relating to how the first play button on the transport is set up.  Make sure its right-click options are set to one of the first three when recording.

I can't see that this has anything at all to do with ASIO - it would either run or it wouldn't surely?
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There are known issues relating to how the first play button on the transport is set up.  Make sure its right-click options are set to one of the first three when recording.

Will check that next.
JTC

I can't see that this has anything at all to do with ASIO - it would either run or it wouldn't surely?

The hardware may stop recording if the ASIO latency cannot keep up.  It has happened with my Layla in the past.

... Audition is reporting my Laylas as 16bit devices!  I'm not sure how I'll be able to tell if this is just a reporting error in the display or if Audition will lopp off evrything via wdm at 16bits.

I believe it is reported in another thread nearby that WDM only operates at 16-bit.  Can't vouch for whether that is truncated.  You might search on either "WDM" or "16 bit" to see if the truncation issue is addressed (or maybe the Help files will say - if there is an entry for WDM.

OK, I can see that... it would therefore be best while recording to use the Audition Mix monitoring which I would guess would show signs of distress if the driver wasn't coping?  But in live recording, where no playback and effects are in use, the driver must have rather less to do than in tracking-type situations??

I believe it is reported in another thread nearby that WDM only operates at 16-bit.  Can't vouch for whether that is truncated.  You might search on either "WDM" or "16 bit" to see if the truncation issue is addressed (or maybe the Help files will say - if there is an entry for WDM.

Meaning WDM in 2.0 or WDM in general.  Certainly I've recorded 24bit (WDM) in Audition 1.5 along with other programs.  If Adobe has limited the WDM functionality that severely that's fairly distressing.  I understand the ASio support being a new vnture for the Audition team but there's never been any problem with WDM support.
JTC

Here I can see that my system won't handle 24 tracks of 24/96 recording - bits missing are evident on the waveform as the screen is written - but that could simply be that the drive isn't up to it - cutting down to 12 the drive light pulses rather than being locked on as it was with 24.

Recording those 12 tracks with very small buffer size and with Audition Mix monitoring on goes smoothly for 3 minutes - but then there's no buffer size big enough to play back the result!  However, if I put one of the tracks into Edit view it plays fine.  Based on that small experiment I'd say that ASIO buffer size (and possibly the ASIO driver itself) isn't the key thing when recording - it's more perhaps a matter of what the drive will handle and the way in which Audition is writing to the drive.

Next I'll test how long I can record for with 12 tracks of 24/96 - well at least for a while.