transfer to CD

wow I haven't been on the forum in years but I had a problem and I'm sure this is the place for the answer
I have been asked to transfer a 78 record to CD my turn table only has 33 & 45 if I ran it in to my computer at 45 speed
and brought it in to AA 3
could I use stretch to bring it back to the proper speed and pitch and how
I know I could have just kept trying until it sounds right but I've never heard the orignal so I don't know what key it's in
and the songs are all orignals from the 50s so I can't compare them to anything
thanks all

Before you do anything, do you have a 78 stylus available?  You don't want to be putting your usual stylus on it.

Paul

I'm guessing a 78 stylus would be the needle
I have nothing for 78 records

I'm guessing a 78 stylus would be the needle
I have nothing for 78 records

Then, as pwhodges hints at, you will get an exceptionally fine reproduction of all of the muck in the bottom of the groove!

Yes, it's a very good idea to get the record cleaned, but with 78's, it's really a bit of a specialist job. If you look in the archive here you will find some discussions about this. Even when you've done that, and have a clean record you still have the same problem though. People doing this seriously tend to have several different stylii available with different tip radii, just so that they can find the most unworn groove section of any record they are dealing with, and to avoid all that muck.

back to my orignal problem can I adjust the speed if I had to record it with a turn table that only has 33 and 45 speed
how would I figure out what percentage to speed it up

You just need to do a little math. 78 divided by 45 equals 1.73333 x 100 equals Ratio to set in Audition Time Stretch effect.

The stylus (needle) size thing is not just a matter of avoiding muck.  The radius of the groove bottom is likely to be larger than that of your microgroove stylus (it's not a micro-groove, see?), so you won't even be tracking the waveform recorded on the groove walls.  It's not hard to find a 78 stylus for most pickups; but if you only have one record to do, the cost could be more than getting someone to do it for you.

Paul

The stylus (needle) size thing is not just a matter of avoiding muck. 

Hence the last sentence of my reply!

well it's settled I will go on a hunt for someone with a turn table that plays 78's or check flea markets
but I have to say this may not be easy I'm sure it's been over twenty years since I've seen one
probably the last one I saw was a combo 8-track player
thanks guys
I have to say after not being on this site for a couple of years
I started reading some posts and even though I never stopped recording in this time I feel like a newbe there is so much info on this site
great job!

For a single record, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to find someone who can do the intial transfer for you?  Those of us who do this sort of thing for a living have all the necessary equipment to hand and the experience to know how best to employ it.

the problem is where I live there is no one to do the transfer I know the other local studio guys and lets face it in a city of 56000 there is not a big demand for transfering old 78's most have thrown this stuff out and we are all hobby studios, this is not the city to make it in the studio business were slowly turning in to a retirment town
new question I've got a friend that just told me he has an old phonograph (like wind up old) he doese not know what speed it runs at and I've never really looked at it that close.
all I know is that it has the sound horn attached to the needle, did they make these in speeds other than 78 rpm
its not my best choice but if worse comes to worse I could mic it 

the problem is where I live there is no one to do the transfer

Where do you live?  It's difficult to help you without knowing this.  You might well find another forum member who is fairly near to you and has the gear to do the job.

new question I've got a friend that just told me he has an old phonograph (like wind up old) he doese not know what speed it runs at and I've never really looked at it that close.
all I know is that it has the sound horn attached to the needle, did they make these in speeds other than 78 rpm
its not my best choice but if worse comes to worse I could mic it 

no... No... NO....  Please don't even consider using this player or recording method, it's totally the wrong approach.

I'm in North bay Ontario Canada about 4 hours north of Toronto

and as for the phonograph after short thought and Graemes post I think...........NO
thanks Graeme as far as bad quality would this player have played the album?
would it have been the wrong needle?

Some useful info here:

http://home.clara.net/rfwilmut/repro78/repro.html#speeds

http://www.enhancedaudio.com/78_restoration.htm

A very quick Google shows several audio restoration companies in both Toronto and Ottowa. 

One of the best-known people in this business is Graham Newton and he has an Ontario address.

As far as the old record player is concerned, it would most likely cause even more damage to the record than already exists - and sticking a mic up the horn is definitely not to be recommended .