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ddeez
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 Posted - Fri Mar 01, 2002 6:31 pm
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for some reason it seems that either my system.....or my cool edit 1.2a does not record in stereo
i know that there are tons of diff possibilities as to what the problem could be but basically:
turntable to phono preamp to my mackie mixer into my soundcard into cooledit.........
all of these have the full 2 stereo cables going for them.....when i monitor the input on my souncard program it SHOWS CLEARLY a stereo signal is coming in from the turntable.....but in cool edit .....the EXACT same waveform is being played back on both the left and right channel......what is going on?
thanks
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Graeme
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Posted - Fri Mar 01, 2002 7:30 pm
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What input are you using on the card - mic or line?
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drumcat
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Posted - Sat Mar 02, 2002 12:29 am
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Several things you might not have thought of...
*One of your cables is mono
*Your source is mono, or dual-channeled 'fake' stereo
*Your sound card is set to record in mono
Get something to play that you can check the channel - something clearly balanced to one side.
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ddeez
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Posted - Sat Mar 02, 2002 11:48 pm
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ok my card is real nice.......4 1/4 ins......4 1/4 outs
like i said before....when i am recording i look at my soundcard mixer......and the the left and right channels coming in are CLEARLY different..........but when they get recorded.....they are played back as the exact same
maybe its this......
on my mixer (mackie 1402) while recording i can move the left and right main out faders up all the way or down all the way......but lets say i move the left fader down all the way.....all that does it quite BOTH channels down.....what the hell is going on?
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drumcat
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Posted - Sun Mar 03, 2002 2:10 am
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I'm not sure, but you've clarified it isn't Cool Edit... may want to check my prior note... 1 & 3 still apply. Add to that your board is probably somehow crossed, so check your wiring.
-drumcat
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Graeme
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Posted - Sun Mar 03, 2002 5:20 am
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OK - let's do what you should have done before you even got as far as posting on this board.
Leave all your connections as they are and feed one channel only into the mixer (left or right, it doesn't matter). Now what are the outputs doing? If they are both present (ie, L & R) and either fader is controlling the level, you have a cross connection somewhere (or the input is panned across both busses).
You just have to work methodically backwards until you find the source of the problem.
This sort of thing is not rocket science, just the application of a couple of simple tests and a bit of thought.
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SteveG
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Posted - Sun Mar 03, 2002 7:45 am
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| ...on my mixer (mackie 1402) while recording i can move the left and right main out faders up all the way or down all the way......but lets say i move the left fader down all the way.....all that does it quite BOTH channels down.....what the hell is going on? |
I'd check exactly which outputs you are using on the mixer, if I were you...
You should be using 2 input channels, with the pan pots set hard left and right, and the main outputs from the mixer straight into your soundcard. If you don't do exactly this, all bets are off!
Steve
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Graeme
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Posted - Sun Mar 03, 2002 12:20 pm
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I'd check exactly which outputs you are using on the mixer, if I were you...
You should be using 2 input channels, with the pan pots set hard left and right, and the main outputs from the mixer straight into your soundcard. If you don't do exactly this, all bets are off!
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True - I thought about this as well, but I made the assumption that anyone who had forked out the dosh for a " real nice.......4 1/4 ins......4 1/4 outs" card, a Mackie mixer, CEP and a computer, at least understood the basics 
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SteveG
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Posted - Sun Mar 03, 2002 12:40 pm
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Rule 1
Assume NOTHING.....NADA.....NIX
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alofoz
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Posted - Sun Mar 03, 2002 8:28 pm
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Unless you're a mathematician, in which case you'll assume anything except responsibility.
Cheers,
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ddeez
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Posted - Sun Mar 03, 2002 9:01 pm
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heh all you high horsed ppl are off.....i am doing what steve said expect (and gee you all should know the basics here cuz you are both msg board vets) my mackie 1402 has no pan pots for the tape inputs......the tape inputs are simply left and right and go into my submaster fader......and yes my main outs go directly into my soundcard.....anymore help please?
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Wildduck
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Posted - Mon Mar 04, 2002 12:54 am
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They are trying to help...... Have you actually tried generating left and right signals separately as has been suggested somewhere higher up and tracking down where everything becomes mono?
I assume you haven't got 'Limit playback to mono' checked in Options/settings/devices?
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Graeme
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Posted - Mon Mar 04, 2002 12:10 pm
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| heh all you high horsed ppl are off.....i am doing what steve said expect (and gee you all should know the basics here cuz you are both msg board vets) my mackie 1402 has no pan pots for the tape inputs......the tape inputs are simply left and right and go into my submaster fader......and yes my main outs go directly into my soundcard.....anymore help please? |
At the risk of repeating myself;
"You just have to work methodically backwards until you find the source of the problem.
This sort of thing is not rocket science, just the application of a couple of simple tests and a bit of thought."
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SteveG
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Posted - Mon Mar 04, 2002 1:21 pm
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You didn't actually say that you were using the tape return input, but never mind. I can't see any reason why the mixer would give you anyting less than a stereo output either. When you click on the record button in CE and the record options box comes up, exactly what does it say in it?
Steve
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ddeez
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Posted - Tue Mar 05, 2002 11:32 pm
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i see that they are trying to help and i appreciate it..i just think they came a little "off key" heh.....anyways
when i hit record it does the same thing as it does for the rest of you..i can choose bit rate....stereo mono etc
check this out.....
i am recording a LP....while recording in "stereo" i go into my soundcard mixer and i lower the left channel all teh way......somehow now i DO only hear the right channel......BUT the RIGHT channel is being recorded on BOTH the left and the right channel (or side).....what is going on?
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Wildduck
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Posted - Wed Mar 06, 2002 12:45 am
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You haven't actually identified the sound card to us. Maybe someone else will have used the same type and will be able to help more.
And you are absolutely certain that it's not a playback problem? You have generated some tone on one channel only and made sure playback is out of one channel only?
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Daan van Rooijen
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Posted - Wed Mar 06, 2002 4:09 am
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Can't you simply hookup the phono pre directly to your soundcard and start recording, and do any fades afterwards in Cool Edit..? I don't see why you'd want a mixer in the chain, unless you want to record from multiple sources.
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Andrew Rose
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Posted - Wed Mar 06, 2002 4:46 am
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It strikes me that whatever ddeez's problem is, it doesn't lie with Cool Edit - and so is largely off topic - so he ought to be grateful at the response so far. I would agree with Daan that the mixer seems to be somewhat redundant - all it's going to do is add further noise and distortion to the audio chain.
However, ddeez's selective answering of questions and suggestions, and apparent inability to provide sufficient useful information, suggests a certain lack of methodology on his part in general.
From what little I've been able to decipher from his posts it sounds like he's getting a signal that's either a) been mono'd at some point in the mixing chain or b) he's getting two left channels. A little basic analysis on ddeez's part would soon work this bit out. Then he might check his outputs via an amp and a pair of cans, working back along the chain until he finds his problem.
Instead he's chosen to let us try and guess what kind of mess of wires he's got going on. Why not try using different outputs on the mixer? Why not play around with the set-up until it works and work out why it didn't at first? Why have a go at others for trying to help someone who appears unable to help himself? We will perhaps never know...
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Graeme
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Posted - Wed Mar 06, 2002 10:48 am
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| However, ddeez's selective answering of questions and suggestions, and apparent inability to provide sufficient useful information, suggests a certain lack of methodology on his part in general. |
Quite so - my point exactly and one I have been hinting at from the start of the thread.
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vincent
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Posted - Thu Mar 07, 2002 2:07 am
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Did your soundcard work in stereo when you bought it ?
Maybe there is a jumper on the card or a problem on the card Jack (ie a contact between Left & Right)
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ddeez
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Posted - Fri Mar 08, 2002 7:50 pm
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you guys are hilarious
my soundcard
m audio delta
mixer
mackie 1402 vlz pro
it seems like this is more....put down the man with the problem then it is..help the poor guy out
ONCE again....i HAVE narrowed this down to (what it seems like to me) CEP pro 1.2a......the reason i use a mixer---because i DO record multiple sources and my soundcard is already filled up with ins.....in case you guys dont know....99 percent of the time anything phono related is not going to be 1/4.....and my ins are 1/4....
now this whole working backwards comment still makes no sense to me....i have tried out various things.....and it seems like (once again) when i view my soundcard monitor both the left and right channels are getting DIFFERENT true stereo signals......yet when i open up CEP and start recording it only records 1 channel...it seems like even when i am recording in stereo it just converts both channels to mono....please help me out here...i am not asking for anything amazing
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vincent
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Posted - Sat Mar 09, 2002 2:55 am
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When you record with CEP check the options in NEW WAVEFORM maybe MONO is selected. if not try to record with an other program.
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SteveG
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Posted - Sat Mar 09, 2002 3:25 am
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Okay, at the risk of incurring further wrath for trying to help, are you recording in multitrack mode? If you are, and you click on the little red 1 box on the track controls, what does it say you are recording in there?
Steve
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Graeme
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Posted - Sat Mar 09, 2002 3:36 am
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I'm outta this thread.
This guy is determined to have it his own way, in spite of the fact he is not prepared to tackle the problem on a proper step by step basis.
Are we really expected take someone seriously when he makes statements like "in case you guys dont know....99 percent of the time anything phono related is not going to be 1/4.....and my ins are 1/4...." - what utter nonsense! I would contend that he is more likely to fall into the 'don't know' category than any of the other people posting in this thread.
He thinks we're hilarious - I think he is a waste of time and space.
Edited by - graeme on 03/09/2002 03:40:07 AM
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vincent
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Posted - Sat Mar 09, 2002 6:20 am
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Agree with you Graeme, i look to his posts (curious guy) he is always crying for help but never he thanks the people. This guy is musician ?????
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post78
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Posted - Sat Mar 09, 2002 10:05 pm
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deep breaths...
deep breaths...........
deep bre.........................
deeeeee.................................................................
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ddeez
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Posted - Sun Mar 10, 2002 3:39 pm
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"wrath"...........
no i am only recording in the waveform view mode.....once again.....i dont know what this "step by step" thing is......i have tried to do everything you guys have suggested...and for some strange reason stereo still isnt being recorded in CEP
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