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Havoc Posts: 735	Posted - Tue Jul 08, 2003 10:32 am  Sorry for this, but it is getting a bit on my nerves lately. Don't you guys have anything else to do than to speculate about the future? Lots of the posts are dealing with adobe, what might come, what may happen and what could disappear. We don't know what will happen...... First: There is nothing we can do apart from letting know our feelings to adobe. I think they already know it by now. Adobe bought the assets, it is now their game according to their rules. Sorry, but that is the reality. If they decide to drop the forum, then they will drop it. If they decide to make CEP an mac only application, then that is what it will be. This is not unthinkable, it has happened before. Second: There is life outside CEP and its forum! Yes, I'll be sorry to see it go, but if it goes, then so be it. Whatever changes, we can follow or not. We DO have a choice, and this is the only power we -the users- have. Since synth refused to solve the dual amd problem (there he goes again...) I started looking at other solutions. And there are plenty, as well as some good forums. CEP is a tool to make music, so now I use several tools, depending on the problem. I admit we have been spoiled, but you can make music with something else, even without pc's. Third: The knowlegde on the forum will not disapear! It will be more fragmented, and it will take time to get it all together again, but the brains will be out there. Just wait and see. If what you see later does not fit your bill, then it's up to you. Adobe knows our expectations, now it up to them, their turn to play. When more is known, it will be our turn again. It is a game, don't take it to serious. I hope this was the last post on the subject, I'm through with it.
bonnder Posts: 215	Posted - Tue Jul 08, 2003 10:37 am  There, now, don't you feel better??? As Freud, et al. have posited - we feel better when we talk about our feelings. If we can share our feelings with others, we are less likely to be traumatized by them. That's all everyone else is doing. Do you really wish to deny them that? --------------- p.s. - in re-reading, this post sounds patronizing. I truely do not intend it to be Havoc.
kylen Posts: 290	Posted - Tue Jul 08, 2003 10:38 am  You won't like the new post on top of you then. Maybe you're done but I ain't!:D 'Forum data export and Forum viewer ??' kylen
jonrose Location: USA Posts: 2901	Posted - Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:22 am  I can accept all of that. It's a loss, but I can accept it. There is one thing I find unacceptable, however.... Their search engine is DIRE. And I've told them as much, in their online support survey. I just don't understand how anyone using it could find a quarter of what they're looking for! Best.... -Jon _________________
Craig Jackman Location: Canada Posts: 909	Posted - Tue Jul 08, 2003 1:15 pm  Adobe Fud. Must be Elmer's half brother that went to university and made something of himself. :] Sorry, couldn't resist. _________________ Craig Jackman Production Supervisor CHEZ/CKBY/CIOX/CJET/CIWW Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Cal Location: USA Posts: 577	Posted - Tue Jul 08, 2003 2:35 pm  Havoc, maybe you could just trip lightly through the forum and by-pass anything having to do with Adobe... and save yourself the anguish. ;) There are p-u-h-l-e-n-t-y of TV programs that have never appeared on my screen because I don't like their content. Not one of them has the chance to bother me. _________________ Cal
William Rose Location: USA Posts: 467	Posted - Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:39 pm  Ok it's killing me. What the hell was "Adobe FUD" supposed to mean ? I'm guessing it's a typo, rather than an abbreviation, but I can't seem to picture the intent. Adobe FUN ? Ok, I'm tapped.
William Rose Location: USA Posts: 467	Posted - Tue Jul 08, 2003 8:50 pm  FEUD ?
kylen Posts: 290	Posted - Tue Jul 08, 2003 8:58 pm  I thought it was something you could get your mouth washed out with soap for - but I can say the last letter stands for 'Discussion'.:O Havoc - can you come back it here and spell it out for us We won't talk about that thing [much] anymore... kylen
ozpeter Location: Australia Posts: 3200	Posted - Tue Jul 08, 2003 10:23 pm  Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt - technique said to have been used by IBM in the early days of PCs to attack other companies - which I'm sure wasn't true. - Ozpeter
Princeamor Location: USA Posts: 41	Posted - Tue Jul 08, 2003 10:28 pm  Well this is a Forum where anyone can put their opinions so those who still talk about it wont stop just because you said so. :O ;) _________________ Dj Luz
Havoc Posts: 735	Posted - Wed Jul 09, 2003 4:31 am  Quote: Maybe you're done but I ain't! I don't know, I won't read it. But in a way, you are done. Correction "were done". The minute synth sold out, the rules changed. Until the new rules are know, we are in the dark. And if you for a minute think that a company as large as adobe is going to listen to a few customers, you are dreaming. What the big paid marketing dudes say goes, even if the janitor sees that it is all BS. Or external consultants, even worse. If they have a vision of forums, then it will be their vision, however daft it may be. Quote: There are p-u-h-l-e-n-t-y of TV programs that have never appeared on my screen Lucky you if you find some that please you! I don't even bother with TV these days. Quote: Well this is a Forum where anyone can put their opinions Yep, but all the adobe stuff is mostly not about opinions. It is just speculation of the worst kind.
kylen Posts: 290	Posted - Wed Jul 09, 2003 7:27 am  Quote: And if you for a minute think that a company as large as adobe is going to listen to a few customers, you are dreaming. There's no Cool Edit Users Group. No organization. No Front. Nobody has to listen to one or 2 individuals at a time. You got that right ! But they have to listen to a body of users. But what about the FUD thing - is it what ozpeter says ? kylen
Shazbot Location: USA Posts: 60	Posted - Wed Jul 09, 2003 7:29 am  Adobe is Elmer Fudd's technology software developing brother. Or, excuse me... bwothah. _________________ http://www.ericendres.com
William Rose Location: USA Posts: 467	Posted - Wed Jul 09, 2003 10:20 am  ozpeter wrote: Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt - technique said to have been used by IBM in the early days of PCs to attack other companies - which I'm sure wasn't true. - Ozpeter That has the ring of truth. Good pull. But you could have said, "I'm afraid it might not have been true. Or was it ?...." :) See, then you would have encompassed the F, the U, and the D, in a single sentence..........
Havoc Posts: 735	Posted - Wed Jul 09, 2003 11:38 am  I would have tought that people spending so much time with their pc's would know FUD. It is indeed as Oz said Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Meaning it is nothing else but rumours, but so constructed that a fragment info here and there taken a tiny bit out of context, seem to suppport those rumours, making them very real. Quote: But they have to listen to a body of users. Sorry to shatter your dreams, but did Emagic listened to their 30% customers that were pc users? I don't think we even represent that number for adobe as a whole. The nice powerpoint presentations of the maketing dudes, that is reality for a company! Certainly if you trow in a few nice buzzwords. Not the bottom line, not common sense and certainly not the customers. Ever read a mission statement?
beetle Location: USA Posts: 2591	Posted - Wed Jul 09, 2003 1:37 pm  Geez guys! They have said repeatedly that Adobe wants to keep this forum and it's members in place. Their product already has a built-in user base, and sooner or later, they will need all of us to help out the avalanvce of new users. Just think of all those questions from newbies who want to remove vocals!
William Rose Location: USA Posts: 467	Posted - Wed Jul 09, 2003 2:23 pm  beetle wrote: Geez guys! They have said repeatedly that Adobe wants to keep this forum and it's members in place. Their product already has a built-in user base, and sooner or later, they will need all of us to help out the avalanvce of new users. Just think of all those questions from newbies who want to remove vocals! Excellent point. I thought maybe I had missed something, but the last I heard was from "ProSupport" where he said their "Intent" was to just haul everything from here, over there. At least in some form or another. Maybe everybody forgot, or for some reason, didn't buy it. I do wonder how they plan to keep the membership intact though. For instance, I have already registered over on their site as "William Rose", and unless they're gonna have the Audition forum registration kept apart from the rest, I don't see how they could just "move" all of this without conflicts arising. Sorry Havoc. But this is at least speculation based on quoted intentions.
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Wed Jul 09, 2003 6:38 pm  And this is a bit of not-really speculation based on having a close look at the structure of their forums. It's like taking a step back into the dark ages. Pictures? Diagrams? forget it. A 4000 character limit on threads that are already difficult to read. A kludgy quoting format, and we'll take Jon's word for the state of the 'search' engine. And only half an hour to correct c*ckups? Emoticons? Emotiwhats? And I dare say there's more - or perhaps I should say less. And you'd better brush up on your HTML. Is it just me, or is there rather more stuff on this forum alone than the whole of the Adobe cluster? It's very hard to tell. And it's really hard to see what's going on, IMHO. What happens to old stuff, or is there really that little of it? Since the technical presentation is so unfriendly, I wouldn't be surprised if there really wasn't much. Now, beetle said Quote: Geez guys! They have said repeatedly that Adobe wants to keep this forum and it's members in place. If they have said this, can you show me where? As far as I can tell, all the statements I've seen have been somewhat ambiguous. Let me reiterate - this is not mere speculation about their 'forums' - check them out for yourself - don't neccessarily take my word for it. *edit* See my later post