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0-T Location: USA Posts: 10	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:23 am  I searched the forum up and down and couldn't find anything related to this problem. Sometimes, after I record a file on Cool Edit, it becomes suddenly unplayable. If I knew how to reproduce the problem, I'd know what's causing it... but it's a mystery to me. If I open the wav file in winamp, it plays fine... so the file itself is okay. But something about it causes Cool Edit to not be able to read it anymore, it so plays this horrible, loud static. Also, the wave's appearance looks the same... until I zoom in to a length that it hasn't been viewed at before. Then i see what Cool Edit is really reading... the wave is completely empty from the middle to the top, and these straight lines are running from the middle to the bottom. If I delete the associated .pk file and open the wave again, that's also what I see. How do I get the .pk file to refect the wave's true sound (what winamp is playing)? The "corrupted" wave is being played through the same Playback Device as the other waves in the same session, which is also the same soundcard that winamp plays the wave through. I'm lost. CEP: v1.2a OS: Win XP RAM: 512 RAM _________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do." Mark Twain
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 1:25 am  Hmmm... since we know that a correct installation of Cool Edit doesn't do this, I'm beginning to wonder whether a) you have a corrupt install, or b) you have a corrupted OS. If I understand what you're saying correctly, you have lost all of the positive excursions of the wav file??? That's just weird! You could try 'open as' and tell CEP exactly what sort of file it is - what happens then? _________________
0-T Location: USA Posts: 10	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 1:50 am  I opened it as a 16 bit mono (it was recorded at 32 apparently) and it's now one long line at the bottom... it's kind of like a line through the middle (for total silence), but at the bottom instead. _________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do." Mark Twain
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 2:30 am  0-T wrote: I opened it as a 16 bit mono (it was recorded at 32 apparently) and it's now one long line at the bottom... it's kind of like a line through the middle (for total silence), but at the bottom instead. That's hardly surprising - you've opened a 32-bit floating-point file in integer! You can only open a file correctly by specifying exactly the method used to encode it. _________________
0-T Location: USA Posts: 10	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 2:37 am  so why does it still play improperly when I specify it to open in 32 bit also? and more importantly, how can I get it to play properly, like it does in Winamp? _________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do." Mark Twain
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 3:35 am  Can you post a typical example somewhere? It may be easier to tell by looking at what you've got. _________________
0-T Location: USA Posts: 10	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 4:42 pm  This is how the wave looks, zoomed out all the way. This is also how the wave looked before the file stopped playing properly. Zoomed in closer, you can see the wave Cool Edit is actually playing. And it sounds like horrible noise. _________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do." Mark Twain
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 4:51 pm  This is showing all the symptoms of being a 1-bit file. It's like the internal floating-point engine has stopped functioning, for some reason. A 1-bit file would have two states - on and off. And this file looks as though off is at -infinity dB, and on is at 0dB. I bet it sounds dreadful! I would be very inclined to uninstall and reinstall CEP1.2 for a start, and see if you still get the same behaviour. If you do, then the finger of suspicion has to point towards the OS. _________________
0-T Location: USA Posts: 10	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 5:23 pm  First, thanks for the response. Second, assuming I re-install, is there a way to repair this (and other) corrupted files? Third, I'm still wondering why it plays fine in winamp, but not Cool Edit. What's causing that? Four, if I do re-install, I'll probably just get CEP 2... but the problem is, I'm recording the album. But the album is getting mixed from my producer, who uses CEP 1.2. Can CEP 2 sessions be opened in 1.2a without error? If so, is any multi-track level and envelope info lost? _________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do." Mark Twain
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 6:06 pm  0-T wrote: First, thanks for the response. Second, assuming I re-install, is there a way to repair this (and other) corrupted files? Third, I'm still wondering why it plays fine in winamp, but not Cool Edit. What's causing that? Four, if I do re-install, I'll probably just get CEP 2... but the problem is, I'm recording the album. But the album is getting mixed from my producer, who uses CEP 1.2. Can CEP 2 sessions be opened in 1.2a without error? If so, is any multi-track level and envelope info lost? If the fault is in CEP, there will be nothing to repair! If it plays fine in Winamp, the file may not be corrupt anyway. If you record tracks in CEP2.1 and just save them as a session, this will import fine into CEP1.2 as long as the files aren't .CEL files, which CEP1.2 doesn't support. If you do nothing else to them other than record them, and make a SES file, then they should line up fine, and be able to be mixed. There is a good possibility that volume and pan envelope info will also be saved, although I haven't tried this. _________________
0-T Location: USA Posts: 10	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 6:17 pm  I just opened a copy of the file (no .pk file) in CEP on another PC and it opens the same noise. :S Damn _________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do." Mark Twain
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 6:22 pm  Hmmm... do these files open fine in CEP until you open them in Winamp? _________________
0-T Location: USA Posts: 10	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 6:38 pm  No... I'd never open a wave file in winamp unless it didn't play in CEP. _________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do." Mark Twain
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Wed Apr 09, 2003 6:40 pm  Well just in case CEP is wrecking the file, I'd do a reinstall anyway... _________________
mao Location: Czech Republic Posts: 14	Posted - Thu Apr 10, 2003 1:02 am  Hi, exactly the same problem happened to me once. It was unable for me to open a wave file in CE and I could play it back only in winamp. Well I'm working for a radio and the corrupted file was recorded by someone else than me. I've tried almost everything - opening it on several different computers in CE2000, in CEP2.0 and didn't find any solution :-(. The only I found out to save my file was "re-recording" it. I simply played it back in winamp on one PC and sent it via optical link to another PC and recorded it again!!! I know this is not a very smart solution, but anyway it did work!!! If someone else could give any smarter advice, I would also like to learn about it!!! good luck!!!
Bob K Location: USA Posts: 165	Posted - Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:46 am  From the looks of the wave, are you sure you didn't just find the display of the UPC code for the sofware? (Sorry...can't resist a straight line...or lots of them!) _________________ Bob K Production Director, WLIF-FM, WJFK-AM Baltimore, MD
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Thu Apr 10, 2003 12:14 pm  Bob K wrote: From the looks of the wave, are you sure you didn't just find the display of the UPC code for the sofware? (Sorry...can't resist a straight line...or lots of them!) This is positioned slightly further into the file than I'd expect that to be... _________________
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