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ScoJoMo
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 Posted - Thu Apr 03, 2003 10:04 am
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Hi everyone....I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions on what type of reverb I could use to make things (especially drums) bigger without making it sound 3 miles away?? Any help is greatly appriciated! Thanks, and God bless! 
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Sincerely from the rinky dink "ScoJoMo Studio",
Scott "Mo" Mogé
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the3jsgrve
Location: USA
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Posted - Thu Apr 03, 2003 10:39 am
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ScoJoMo,
Are you talking about a drum sample, or actual recorded drums?
In my experience, it hasn't been as much reverb that has made drums sound big, but proper EQ shelving and mix placement.
If you are working with individually mic'd drums, then I would suggest using some 'verb on the snare (especially for rock), and maybe a bit on the hi-hat and/or overheads, but almost never on the kick.
You might also play with compression, but be careful to not cover up dynamics too much.
If you'll elaborate a bit more on the specific sound you are going for, and--if you can--post a sound clip somewhere, I'm sure that I and some of the others on here will be able to help you out some.
Josh
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SteveG
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Posted - Thu Apr 03, 2003 10:41 am
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I don't think that any reverb on its own will make drums sound 'bigger' - quite the opposite, in fact. If you want 'bigger' sounding drums using reverb, you have to check out gating techniques, etc. But the real trick to bigger sounding drums usually involves delayed-trigger dynamics...
Somewhere, there's a thread where I explained (with examples) the principle. I'll see if I can find it...
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SteveG
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Posted - Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:00 am
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The thread that I referred to is 'Understanding the Level Detector'. The demo file is still in place, and the cool.ini patch will certainly drop over CEP2.0, and possibly other versions. If you want to use the preset with an earlier version, you may have to enter it by hand, but it should drop on, as per instructions. Please try to ignore the comments about presets - it's a (failed) wind-up!
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Cal
Location: USA
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Posted - Thu Apr 03, 2003 12:12 pm
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I also want to thank you, Steve.
Most of what i do is polishing up live 24 channel board to stereo 2-track mixes. Being live, you get what you get the first time with no re-mixing chance, as you would in the studio setting. And there is no dynamics treatment on any of the channels... maybe a bit of reverb on selected instruments or vocals, but that's all.
Tweaking slightly the Gain Processor part of your settings and compressing the stereo mix does absolute wonders for the attack and decay of everything happening in the mix -- there's increased attack but no uncontrolled spiking, while maintaining naturally decaying tails, and correct volumes are kept on the quieter parts. I was happy before, but this..... GREAT!
It has now become the first process i use, and after that any EQing and ambient processing i might do falls into place very nicely.
:D -- Happy in Atlanta -- 
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