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DJ-T
Location: USA
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Posted - Fri Mar 14, 2003 6:27 pm
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Is this a good mastering tool (Direct X Plugin)give me your
opinion's on this product,is it worth it.thanks T"
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Gulliver
Location: Estonia
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Posted - Sat Mar 15, 2003 7:05 am
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I use it all the time (when mastering my tunes) and I think it's very good. At the same time it's quite deep and needs a lot of practice.
I'd recommend it without hesitation.
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rjt
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Posted - Sat Mar 15, 2003 7:47 am
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I like it. It is deep. Everybody has their favorites and there are a lot of threads on mastering software here and elsewhere. But Ozone2 works well on a lot of my stuff.
Take care
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VoodooRadio
Location: USA
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Posted - Sat Mar 15, 2003 9:48 am
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I have Ozone (the first release) that I bought on sale when they released version 2. I like it O.K., it is a very powerful program and can be deadly in the hands of the inexperienced. I also have T-Racks (IK Multimedia) that I (personally) prefer. I actually use Waves Native Gold Bundle more these days for most my needs. There is an old saying that a "good solid mix" doesn't require alot (if any) Mastering. Using the Waves (while building sessions), I find that I have very little need for either mastering package, but normally default to the T-Racks because I am more comfortable with it. YMMV!!
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Graeme
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Posted - Sat Mar 15, 2003 10:38 am
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It's a good tool, but a real resource hog, so you'll need a lot of horsepower to run it comfortably. It's also a very subtle tool (or, at least, it should be!) and VoodoRadio's comment ("can be deadly in the hands of the inexperienced") should definitely be heeded.
Unless you already have top-notch monitoring and some experience in this area, I'd seriously think about spending your money on something more useful (like some decent monitoring).
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jonrose
Location: USA
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Posted - Sun Mar 16, 2003 10:23 pm
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Ozone is an extraordinarily useful tool.
Subtle indeed! It can be... and that's precisely what I like the most about it - innumerable possibilities in subtle ways (and ways to mangle in the hands of the inexperienced and deaf - heh-heh!) And as Graeme says, if you can't hear subtleties in the alterations that you make with it, it's really time for better monitors, first. :D
Download a demo and give it a spin.
Best... -Jon
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signman
Location: New Zealand
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Posted - Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:28 am
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It is a great plugin.I found it good for understanding multiband compressors. I have experimented a lot, I'm still learning but it has some excellent features. It can be over used but if you get your head around its functions it is very powerful.
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Craig Jackman
Location: Canada
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Posted - Mon Mar 17, 2003 6:10 am
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It great with 2 "but"s ...
You have to have a much more powerful computer than their minimum system requirements.
You have to be the kind of user that loves tweaking. If you just want to haul up a preset, this is not for you. The more you put into it, getting just the right sound, the more you'll get back in the end.
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DJ-T
Location: USA
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Posted - Wed Mar 19, 2003 2:12 pm
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Thanks fella's.T"
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SteveG
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted - Wed Mar 19, 2003 3:07 pm
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You have to be the kind of user that loves tweaking. If you just want to haul up a preset, this is not for you. The more you put into it, getting just the right sound, the more you'll get back in the end. |
I'd agree entirely about that. I've actually had Ozone 1 since it was released, and took advantage of the (relatively) cheap Ozone 2 upgrade. The only time I use presets is if I want to use 3 or 4 different settings on one track - and I've only done this a couple of times, treating verses, choruses and instrumental breaks differently. And this was only because of the somewhat ideosyncratic ideas of the person who mixed it - this is quite unusual.
But in 'normal' use, I find that just a very little Ozone can go a pretty long way... and you end up using it differently each and every time. Presets are right out.
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jonrose
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Posted - Thu Mar 20, 2003 11:46 pm
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I just had to say that I think the only really useful thing about presets (aside of what Steve has already pointed out) is their value as a temporary, arbitrary reference... and I actually do save some presets on my current projects as I go, as reference points. But I think of them more in terms of watercolor paintings that sit outside waiting for a good rain.
Obviously, you can look at the saved parameters to see where you were, and to some extent, how you got there - which makes them a reasonably good learning tool if you are actually building your own sounds.
But as with the painter, one starts with a completely different palette, subject, and creative ideas the next time around. So, I just let go of all my presets like the temporary art that they are. I've never re-used a preset for anything, because they simply don't translate to the context of a subsequent piece.
I mean, that'd be like trying to recreate a Picasso, wouldn't it?
Heh-heh! :D
Best... -Jon
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Craig Jackman
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Posted - Fri Mar 21, 2003 5:58 am
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jon makes a couple of excellent points. First, saving your own presets is a great thing. It's actually something I do quite often as in radio you want repeatability in sounds you create as inevitably there are revisions and updates. I'll also agree that presets are a wonderful starting off point on your journey of creation. The best trips are off the beaten path though, otherwise you just see what everybody else saw. You have to modify and tweak, and the best way to do it is to just try it and see what happens. The first rule is that there are no rules. If in doubt, the second rule is to revert to the first rule.
I had one boss in my first real radio gig, who made it a point of practice to never EVER use the presets in an effects box. He'd dial something up, tweak a couple of parameters, then put some audio through it to see what it sounded like. He'd then continue adjusting to taste. Worked well for him as the small town Canadian got picked up by a big US program creator and distributor.
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VoodooRadio
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Posted - Fri Mar 21, 2003 6:38 am
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What a "colorful" metaphor! As for presets... IMO, they're only good for getting to a starting point. By sheer coincident, sometimes the preset gets you closer to what your shooting for than you expected, but it always ends up needing adjustment. I too have "dialed in" a sound and then "saved" it for use in the same project, but it almost never has any use beyond that.
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rjt
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Posted - Sat Mar 22, 2003 7:33 am
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I've found some of the presets extremely useful, several of which required fairly minor tweaking before I used them. Ozone is not such a resource hog considering what it was intended for.... a mastering plug in. When used for individual tracks it uses up the CPU, but for mastering an otherwise finished track it is reasonable. The advice to download the demo and play with it seems sound to me (groan).
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Mark T
Location: Norway
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Posted - Sat Mar 22, 2003 12:05 pm
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But I think of them more in terms of watercolor paintings that sit outside waiting for a good rain. |
What a "colorful" metaphor! As for presets... IMO, they're only good for getting to a starting point. By sheer coincident, sometimes the preset gets you closer to what your shooting for than you expected, but it always ends up needing adjustment. I too have "dialed in" a sound and then "saved" it for use in the same project, but it almost never has any use beyond that.
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Well my friend Mr Voodoo,
Steve (and others) cured me of my desire for presets as a strating point some time ago, but....(good word eh?) I am a hobby musician, mixer and mastering engineer. In a way I guess that gives me some advantages over the professionals, I don't work to a time limit and noone else gets a say in how it sounds (yeah I know I don't get that independent set of ears, but this is MY posting so just wait for your turn OK?), That also means that I can work on several projects at once, and when I feel I have got a song right, I save the Ozone mastering settings and live with the song for a while. If it still sounds OK after a few days I'll never use that preset again. but if I feel maybe there is just a little too much low frequency after all, I can go back, load the preset, adjust the eq, and run it out again.
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VoodooRadio
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Posted - Sat Mar 22, 2003 2:12 pm
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Cool Mark T, I'm glad you have a regimen that your comfortable with. That's really good advise.... find what works for you and use it when necessary!
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