Review of Audition 3 in Norwegian press!

Wow! Having all the blame for this misunderstanding laid at my door demands that I re-enter the discussion.

Well, all I can say is that this demonstrates is that you've fallen totally foul of (i.e. proved completely) Osmo Wiio's rule 3 of communication, and partially of several others as well.... 

Well, I don't accept that of course, but to take my case further would involve taking back the slack that I cut a little while ago & I can see how things might degenerate. So this time I'm really retiring from the discussion.

But thanks for the link, I did enjoy it.

Well, I don't accept that of course, but to take my case further would involve taking back the slack that I cut a little while ago & I can see how things might degenerate.

I shouldn't worry - because I made the original statement, it's only me that can say that it was misinterpreted. And however you look at it, it can't really be your 'fault', as such...

[was itself lifted out of HTML jargon]

My statement is correct, since we had never heard of journalists being embedded, certainly not in the way that TV and the Press were using that term during the Iraq war.

If somebody uses a generic term to describe something, then it hasn't been lifted from anywhere. And therefore its usage, if appropriate, is quite correct - QED.

I also did not that say nor imply that the origin of 'embedded' was HTML.

Yes you did:

But did you all see how the word 'embedded' was itself lifted out of HTML jargon...

Perhaps you should try reading back what you write occasionally. And don't try wriggling out of the messes you get yourself into, because nobody's fooled, even for one moment.

No actually. Saying 'lifted' does not imply origin at all. It simply means that the word was taken from latest usage. If you want to discuss origins properly then we're looking at the etymological orgins of the word embed. It is likely that the popular usage of the word embedded in website building led to the term being lifted by a journalist; this does not even hint at, let alone imply origins of the word embed. You can be assured there is absolutely no wriggling out of anything here.

Saying 'lifted' does not imply origin at all. It simply means that the word was taken from latest usage.

Well that would be fine, except that as everybody knows, the concept of 'lifted' has nothing whatsover to do with 'latest' at all...

Saying 'lifted' does not imply origin at all. It simply means that the word was taken from latest usage.

Well that would be fine, except that as everybody knows, the concept of 'lifted' has nothing whatsover to do with 'latest' at all...

Yes it would, it is simply another way of saying 'taken from', in this case current usage.

[no specific case at all]

Yes it would, it is simply another way of saying 'taken from', in this case current usage.

Pure BS. 'Taken from' implies no specific case at all.

[no specific case at all]

Yes it would, it is simply another way of saying 'taken from', in this case current usage.

Pure BS. 'Taken from' implies no specific case at all.

Oh but it does Stevie, it means the same as 'lifted from', as I've already said.

Sorry to butt in but to me, "taken and lifted" etc can only mean the same when they are applied to an inanimate object/s. "I have taken pride in my work" or "He was lifted from the bowels of despair" alter these meanings. No!

Oh but it does Stevie, it means the same as 'lifted from', as I've already said.

No it doesn't - not according to any dictionary. 'Lift' and 'take' are verbs, and obey the rules of verbs. Also, they mean completely separate things. If you use the transitory forms 'lifted' and 'taken' it simply means that you have carried out that action in the past, no more and no less. The use of the word indicates the type of action you took, and nothing at all about where you took it. It absolutely does not indicate that it was recent - you could have (inaccurately, or journalistically) 'lifted' or (more accurately) 'taken' your useage from any usage point at all.

In general, your use of the language is extremely sloppy. Do you actually own a dictionary? If you do, have you ever opened it?