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bragov
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 Posted - Sat Jan 04, 2003 12:09 am
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I just recorded something that had to be cut, and couldn't do it without leaving a pop where the cut had been made. Using ce2k. Do I need the pro version to do this, or is there a trick I haven't figured out?
jonrose, long time! I was going to just email you about this, but couldn't find contact info. My first computer died, probably of overwork, so I've lost everything from 2001.
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Graeme
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Posted - Sat Jan 04, 2003 12:52 am
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| I just recorded something that had to be cut, and couldn't do it without leaving a pop where the cut had been made. Using ce2k. Do I need the pro version to do this, or is there a trick I haven't figured out? |
No - you don't need the pro version, you just need to learn how to edit properly  .
Each case has to be taken on merit, but here are some rough guidelines. If you work to these, then you should never have a problem.
1. Try and pick an edit point where any very small glitch would not be noticed. Although it is often recommended to cut 'on the beat', this is often not the best point in this respect and you might find it easier to hide an edit by cutting before or after the beat.
2. Wherever you cut, you must ensure that the levels match between the out and the in. Again, the most common recommendation is to cut at the zero point but this is not an absolute requirement as long as the levels match.
3. ... and this is the one most people fall down on. The waveform of both the out and in must be moving in the same direction. That is, if the out point is moving downwards, then so must the in point and vice versa. You must adhere to this rule even when cutting at the zero level, since a sudden reversal in direction is bound to produce an unwanted sound.
You will note that I have said nothing about matching the performance qualities at the cutting points, I'm assuming you understand the necessity for this.
Editing is no mystery, although it might seem a bit of a black art to some. In fact, it is a lot easier to do with modern digital technology than it was with a razor blade. What it does require, however, is a lot of practice to make perfect.
One of the hardest things to edit, without it showing, is the spoken voice. I suggest you take a voice track and cut it up to make the speaker say something he/she didn't. Once you can do this convincingly, you will find music a comparitive breeze.
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bragov
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Graeme
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Posted - Sat Jan 04, 2003 12:38 pm
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| Aha. #3, "The waveform of both the out and in must be moving in the same direction" is what I didn't understand. |
I warned you - this is the most common 'gotcha'.
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ozpeter
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Posted - Sat Jan 04, 2003 4:11 pm
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I guess if one follows Graeme's excellent how-to-edit-in-a-nutshell tutorial to the letter, the settings in Options>Settings>Data relating to smoothing and crossfading become irrelevant - but I'll mention them all the same. Actually, I'd be interested to know whether Graeme works with these settings enabled or not - perhaps a purist would rather not have CE interfere with the edit by such processes?
- Ozpeter
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Graeme
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Posted - Sat Jan 04, 2003 4:23 pm
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| Actually, I'd be interested to know whether Graeme works with these settings enabled or not - perhaps a purist would rather not have CE interfere with the edit by such processes? |
No - they're not enabled on my system. Not that I consider myself a purist, it's just that I think they're unnecessary to me.
It is true they will cover an 'untidy' edit, which could be useful to a newcomer, but I believe it is better to work a bit harder at it and learn to do the job properly without the aid of a safety net.
Of course, one of the big advantages with electronic editing is the option to undo something you get horribly wrong. This is a bit of a two-edged sword. On the plus side, you can make as many sloppy cuts as you like, all the time knowing that all is not going to be lost. On the minus side, it means you might not try so hard to get it right first time and will take longer to learn the craft.
For people like me, who were raised on razor blade editing, you soon learned how to do it properly, mainly because you got really cheesed off sticking back little segments of tape.
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ozpeter
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Posted - Sat Jan 04, 2003 4:38 pm
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| mainly because you got really cheesed off sticking back little segments of tape |
... once you had found where the hell the last vital little bit had gone to anyway.... Thanks for the observations, Graeme.
- Ozpeter
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bragov
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Posted - Sat Jan 04, 2003 4:57 pm
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Hi Ozpeter and Graeme, I just discovered that it's possible to simply move the waveform... The edit that was bothering me (it's classical vocal music, very exposed) is imperceptible now. No pop.
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Graeme
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Posted - Sun Jan 05, 2003 2:48 am
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| I just discovered that it's possible to simply move the waveform... The edit that was bothering me (it's classical vocal music, very exposed) is imperceptible now. No pop. |
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'move the waveform' - but at least the problem is solved.
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SteveG
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Posted - Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:05 am
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Hi Vicky! Long time no hear from! How's the Hoontec?
I presume that what you mean by 'move the waveform' is exactly that. Being classical music, which is mercifully free of the ridiculous sub-millisecond timing requirements of some contemporary music, I suspect that a slight repositioning has made no significant impact on the timing at all, and achieved Graeme's point 3 in the process... yes?
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bragov
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Posted - Sun Jan 05, 2003 6:39 am
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Hi Steve! Good to hear from you.
I had to get a new desktop, and its Soundblaster Live is adequate for what I was just doing--a demo for an aspiring opera singer who has serious intonation problems ... so the Hoontech is languishing in a drawer. I'm having my husband's music recorded in Moscow, just finished an album of chamber music and will do some piano music later this month.
By "moving the waveform" I meant click and drag.
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SteveG
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Posted - Sun Jan 05, 2003 7:58 am
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| I had to get a new desktop, and its Soundblaster Live is adequate for what I was just doing--a demo for an aspiring opera singer who has serious intonation problems ... |
Almost sounds like a definition of a SB Live!
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