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Flashback
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 Posted - Thu Aug 16, 2001 1:15 pm
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Hello everyone,Im new to the whole cool edit program and i need major help.So if anyone can help me.I need to take out pops and hisses out of a song I recorded with my friends singing.If anyone could walk me thru it or post tips here that would be fine.Also if anyone has tips or stuff I should try please post them also.Thank you all
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Graeme
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Posted - Thu Aug 16, 2001 8:14 pm
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You don't want much, do you?
How about trying to read the manual first!
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beetle
Location: USA
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Posted - Thu Aug 16, 2001 10:02 pm
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Graeme, I think you could have said that a little nicer! You probably scared the guy off.
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jonrose
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Posted - Fri Aug 17, 2001 12:55 am
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Hey Flash,
Try using the "Search For" bar up at the top, and enter phrases like, "noise reduction", "hiss reduction", "remove clicks and pops", and other phrases along those lines that you might think of. Chances are you'll find a lot of topics (with these items at least mentioned), even if they're not the subject of the entire thread.
All the best... -Jon
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Flashback
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Posted - Fri Aug 17, 2001 3:55 pm
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Damm Graeme,I did not know it was like that.People told me that these boards were harsh but damm its all good.Im just asking for tips people use thats not in the manual cause I did not have a manual.I want the best sound and quality I can get from the program thats all ot much.If anyone can walk me thru the program that would be appricatied thanks people.Thanks to those who helped me
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Syntrillium M.D.
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Graeme
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Posted - Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:34 pm
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| Damm Graeme,I did not know it was like that.People told me that these boards were harsh but damm its all good.Im just asking for tips people use thats not in the manual cause I did not have a manual.I want the best sound and quality I can get from the program thats all ot much.If anyone can walk me thru the program that would be appricatied thanks people.Thanks to those who helped me |
Well, I'm sorry if you thought I was being hard, but it seems to me that you have not done any background research of your own. A bit of self-help is always an encouraging sign that the user is, at least, trying.
Syntrillium has told you where you can get the manuals (is there no online help in CE2000?) but that's nothing you couldn't have found out for yourself by logging into their site and having a look around.
These forums can be extremely useful and all of the questions you have asked have been covered many times. All you had to do was to look through through the FAQ'a and search the forum threads - but no, you want to buy a $350 application and then expect to be walked through it by people who have better things to do with their time. Get real!!
Furthermore, you are trying to run before you have even learned to walk. You are asking for "tips people use thats not in the manual" and you haven't even had the grace to read the damn thing yet! Until you have a grasp of the basics, how the hell do you expect to be able to understand and effectively use the more advanced stuff?
Try a bit of experimentation - you can't do any lasting damage and you might, just possibly, learn a lot more through a couple of hours of your own mistakes than you will learn in a lifetime of trying to ride on the backs of others.
BTW, if you think this is a harsh board, I can give you a few links where you will really be given a hard time.
Edited by - graeme on 08/17/2001 7:36:28 PM
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oldman
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Posted - Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:12 pm
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Man, Graeme you are really tuff! ;-)
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jonrose
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Posted - Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:28 pm
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....Well, oldman, you know he's probably just tired of the S.O.S.....
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rockindel1
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Posted - Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:33 pm
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Hey Flashback hope your having fun with ce2k first of all make sure you have the noise reduction plug in from syntrillium, which is very powerful for what you pay for it, next is organise what you want to do .
you want to start with the most explosive harsh sounds first using the reduce clicks and pops highlight an example of the clicks you want to get rid of and use the get profile to teach the program what you wnat it to get rid of, if there is not very many you may want to individually highlight the clicks and pops(or plosives)and use the remove single click at the bottom of the click and pop reducer. once you have gotten rid of the clicks and pops it will be time to get rid of the background noise using the reduce background noise first highlight a section of just background noise no vocals no instruments just background noise then use the get profile from selection and save it do not hit ok close out of the window and highlight the entire selection you wnat to noise rediuce then go back to the noise reductin choose the profile you just saved and "go to town"
now this is a very loose description there are many settings use youcan use in all the steps I described here but experimenting is the best way to find what is best for your application everyone on this board can give you a group of settings for any one of the steps I described which work excellent for them on their systems to sound good to their ears but its you who has tolisten to what your doing so experiment, use someone elses settings and tweak them but dont let anyone tell you they have the bast settings!!
and HAVE FUN I love this program I was doing dance remixes with the demo version of cool edit 96 which wasent as powerful as 2000 so you have lots of tools to do alot of fun things and have a high quality product at the end
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Graeme
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Posted - Sat Aug 18, 2001 7:27 am
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| Man, Graeme you are really tuff! ;-) |
No, I'm not. I just get really pissed off with people who think they can acquire a piece of software - particularly something like this, which is a particularly niche field - and then try and become power users overnight without even bothering to download the bloody manual!!
You should know, as well as anyone, the level of experience and help which [b]can{/b] be obtained from this forum and its members. However, just remember that all this good advice is given for free and that the time which is devoted to all this free advice doesn't earn even the cost of the phone call.
Flashback would have to pay a lot of money to employ a 'consultant' to sort his problems out. But, unless he has more money than sense, he would only do that after he had explored all the possible avenues for himself.
So, why should he expect any different here?
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Jay Marble
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Posted - Sat Aug 18, 2001 9:03 am
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Flashback: Please feel free to ask anything, anytime. If I were you I would go back a few months into the posted topics. You will find all kind of information. Most of it delivered in a courteous manner. I hope you enjoy yourself, and I look forward to hearing about your adventures with Cool Edit.
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Graeme
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Posted - Sun Aug 19, 2001 10:35 am
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Jay Marble:
If I were you I would go back a few months into the posted topics. You will find all kind of information. Most of it delivered in a courteous manner. |
Since this is so obviously a reference to me, I would like to make the following points:
There is a lot of stuff in the archives - and a good proportion of it was contributed by me.
I have spent a lot of time trying to help people here and I would like to think that some of my advice has been useful to the recipient or anyone else reading the thread.
Like some of the other contributors here, I am a professional (ie, this is how I earn my living) and we are giving away - for free!! - what we would normally charge large gobs of money for. On that basis alone, I think it is my choice as to what I choose to answer and the way in which I answer it.
I don't mind trying to help out anyone - but only after they have tried to help themselves. This was clearly not the case here and I said so.
If you don't like or agree with it, well.... from my point of view, that's tough. Just don't start making snide remarks about the way I handled something which was not even directly related to you. If you want to have a pop at me - write direct, don't clog the thread.
As far as this thread is concerned, I'm outta here.
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Flashback
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Posted - Sun Aug 19, 2001 1:15 pm
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Graeme
Is3 cool to be harsh its all good.Iunderstand whatyour saying belive it or not.The thing is the program was given to me by a friend.I admitt that I do want the easy way I read the mannuals.I was3 looking for tips like the3 you3 pros3 use3
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oretez
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Posted - Sun Aug 19, 2001 2:10 pm
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Graeme
Is3 cool to be harsh its all good.Iunderstand whatyour saying belive it or not.The thing is the program was given to me by a friend.I admitt that I do want the easy way I read the mannuals.I was3 looking for tips like the3 you3 pros3 use3 |
Graeme's record(of asistance) speaks for itself so I won't even bother to speak to that
but one of the things that legitimizes, theoretically rather than simply emotionally Graeme's response is that Flashback seemed to be asking about a specific situation without providing any indication the would be able to understand the responses, and failed to provide enough information for the responses to be more than our speaking merely to hear/see the shape of our own thoughts. (things that can be described as 'pops & hisses' can show up as tape artifacts, because the gain staging exceeded the limits of the equipment used, because of intermodulation problems, because of background noise, because of noise associated with equipment used to do the recording. With out more information how can one frame a reply that isn't a random dart toss at a big side of a barn . . . the fastest way for Flashback to narrow his inquiry so that responses might be of some use is to search archieves and read manual
another reason to pursue this approach is that NR he's going after probably can not be accomplished without loss to 'content' . . . so compromises have to be made . . . without knowing more about budget considerations, & what target the final mix will be aimed at . . . it's real diffult to say anything more helpful than: make sure you have a back up of the raw tracks saved; then do intial experiments on small segments of the file.
With out knowing more I'd even hesitate to believe things like 'start with the loudest most obnoxious clicks first'. While it's not a bad rule of thumb I can think of a number of situations where I might want to leave those for the very end
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invader9000
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Posted - Tue Aug 21, 2001 10:00 am
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You are losing thw topic here guys... chill out! It may be nurve braking to see repeated questions over the forum (see vocal cut), or questions that have already been answered many times and some user does not use the damm search feature, but the same nurve breaker is the bad attitude from some "proffesionals" who do not have to answer if they're pissed off with our questions!
Sorry Graeme, but this has happened too many times in the past, an only God knows how many times it will happen again. Like the "vocal cut" headache, this may be nurve breaker, but, you can also bypass the thread and go to another one.
As for the newcomers, please try the search engine. It is more easier to use Search and find a large collection of associated topics, than asking an annoying question that will piss some users (and Graeme) off, with no actuall benefit for anyone.
Sorry for being hard on some things here, but we have been through those things many many times, and i believe that it starts to get annoying for anyone.
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oak415
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Posted - Tue Aug 21, 2001 10:33 am
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Hey, Graeme = been reading some of your other inputs. YOU'RE STILL A JERK.
Edited by - oak415 on 08/21/2001 10:39:19 AM
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jonrose
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Posted - Tue Aug 21, 2001 11:00 am
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Well... That's special.
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urumuqi74
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Posted - Tue Aug 21, 2001 12:31 pm
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LOL. From what I can see, some people have a bad day here.
Ok, Flashback, everyone is welcome on this forum. There's a learning curve associate with the use of CE2000. Some tools are easier than others to master. Give yourself some time to learn. Because it's a software application, a lot of "starters" will assume that everything is done automatically without any human judgement calls. You have to put a lot of efforts in it. I think that's part of what Graeme tried to explain.
With the information given by your original request, I can only suggest that you try the click/pop and de-noising tools. Read the tools help topics and make a search on the forum as for threads on these topics. Practice a bit.
If you are encountering some problems using these tools or that the results expected are not showing up then you are welcome to start a thread.
Good Luck!!!
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natone
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Posted - Tue Aug 21, 2001 2:05 pm
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I have to interject...I can't help it. Graeme may be an old codger, but his remarks always rock. A salute to Graeme and all the other rock-solid contributors (you know who you are)! Rock on! Your time in this forum is invaluable.
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oldman
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Posted - Tue Aug 21, 2001 10:04 pm
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Well... That's special.
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Also uncalled for!
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patrickM
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Posted - Wed Aug 22, 2001 2:15 am
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Hello , I would like to say something on the subject too !
I think we are all missing the point here , trying to take out popping or hissing sounds in a recording is one thing , avoiding them whilst recording is allways more likely the solution here . I'm a sound engineer and for over 2O years I record and edit almost anything from speech and church choirs to bands ( pop , jazz , blues )studio aswell as live
what I'm trying to say here is : before there where computers and editing software
we had to keep our recordings "clean" asswel and we did it without any of these computerised workaround tricks ?!
so my advise is : try to record voices without these sounds instead of working around ( postrecording ) with software
use popfilters on your mike to eliminate popping sounds and insert a de-essing filter/equaliser in the audio path of your mike-preamp ... also nice to have is a
a compressor/limiter which can do miracles for your modulation and the presence of the voice(s) recorded
and maybe the best piece of advise I can give is : learn a bit more on audio and recording techniques , after all a software can make you think that you're capable of making swell recordings productions , but let's get real here , experience and technical knowledge will allways add more to your project , even when you became a power user overnight ....so to me ...I think , somehow Graeme has a point here even if the way he putted it is not appreciated by everyone ...
also : reading a manual hasn't killed anyone so far , on the contrary
patrick from belgium 21/08/2001
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Jay Marble
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Posted - Wed Aug 22, 2001 11:18 am
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Can we just lighten up, toughen up, and let this thread die?
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jonrose
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Posted - Wed Aug 22, 2001 2:57 pm
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Okay, so neither of you appreciate my sense of humor...
;-)
Next thread!
All the best... -Jon
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Flashback
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Posted - Wed Aug 22, 2001 9:35 pm
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Well I would like to thank the ones that were hard on me.Cause I got up off my arse and read the help topics and used the tools.So thanks everyone who helped.
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