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rogier · Posted - Wed Jun 06, 2001 2:10 am

O.K. I'm working on a project right now and I've encountered a weird problem.When I record the vocals,everything is fine,untill
I save the file(not all files though).Once I open the files again I get some weird effects,
mainly that I get music tracks mixed with the vocals,eventhough I DIDN'T tell the blasted thing to do so!It's always just a short blast of really loud music,but I can't see where the problem lies.If anyone has any ideas,please help

Rogier

SteveG · Location: United Kingdom

Rogier, your system is probably obeying the laws of physics okay, just not ones that are immediately obvious...

When you say 'Save the file (not all files though) what exactly do you mean? I suspect that if you are recording more than one track before saving it, you could be running into problems with temp directories.

But is this actually what you're doing? I would have thought that if you save everything first, and record your vocal whilst playing guide tracks (assuming that's what you're doing, of course) that you wouldn't have a problem. Or have I misunderstood what you're saying?

Steve

rogier · Posted - Wed Jun 06, 2001 3:57 am

OK,i have saved all files of the song separatly,without encountering problems,but when I record the vocals,I get pieces of the music tracks mixing with the vocals,AFTER I
have saved the track.So when I playback the Music track and record the vocals there's no problem when I play them all back after the recording.So I saved the vocal track to go on with the next song.When I opened the project again,the vocal track contained pieces of the music track,wich it DID NOT contain before I saved the track.So when I solo out the Vocals now I get pieces of th music track Mixed with the vocals,But only very small pieces of a second or so,really loud,and completely replacing the vocals on that part.I have saved all tracks separatly
after recording,and made a mix of the drums, bas,etc. to record the vocals,saved this as
a separate track and worked with this track only,So basiccaly there shouldn't be a problem with the vocal track,But somehow it gets corrupted while saving.

SteveG · Location: United Kingdom

Right, I understand. It is possible that you have a fragmented drive problem, the answer to which is to defrag it. Or there's a really outside chance that your CE installation is corrupted, but it doesn't sound like it to me. If defraging the drive doesn't solve your problem, try uninstalling and reinstalling CE. If that doesn't work, post a message here with your computer details, ie, soundcard - amount of RAM, operating system, which version of CE, details of hard disks, etc. and see if anybody else can throw any light on this later.

Steve

Edited by - SteveG on 06/06/2001 05:30:18 AM

2Bdecided · Posted - Wed Jun 06, 2001 5:43 am

I've had exactly what you're describing a couple of times. It's always been related to either..

a) a bad system crash
b) running out of hard disk space, but CEP somehow not noticing (this shouldn't happen, but it did once!)
or possibly
c) overclocking the processor

These are probably no help to you, but I thought I'd mention them, just in case!

http://www.David.Robinson.org/

rogier · Posted - Wed Jun 06, 2001 7:14 am

Hi steve,thanx for the input,Aparantly it was CEP that was corrupted(I think),I didn't encouter the problem anymore.I defrag everytime I use CEP,so that couldn't be the problem.I use CEP 1.1,so maybe I should upgrade to 1.2?thanx heaps though
Rogier

SteveG · Location: United Kingdom

Well I'm sure you're quite relieved.
Oh, and I think you probably should upgrade...

Steve

DS_Sultan · Posted - Wed Jun 06, 2001 8:29 am

Definitely do the update to 1.2a as it will fix many more issues than what you are encountering.

Syntrillium Support · Location: USA

To correct this problem you should upgrade to version 1.2a. The problem you faced was 2 gig limitation of CEP 1.1. CEP 1.2 has a 4 gig limitation for the temp file and CEP 1.2a has something like 12 gig limitation for the CEP temp folder (I'm not talking about individule files).

Details:
There are two size limitations you should keep in mind.

1. Windows Limitation.

There is a 4 gig limitation per file in Windows 95/98/ME. In these OSes, you can't create a file (wave or text or graphic) larger than 4 Gig. This has nothing to do with CEP. It's a windows limitation. Windows NT and 2000 don't have this 4 gig limitation.

2. Wave file format limitation.

Wave file format spec does not allow files larger than 4 gig. There are audio software packages that allow you to do this, but they are not following spec. Any audio file larger than 4 gig is not a standard file. It makes no difference what OS you are running. This is a wave spec limitation.

3. CEP Temp file limitation.

In CEP 1.0, the maximum temp file size was 2 Gig.
In CEP 1.1, we increased the temp file size to 4 gig. Same for CEP 1.2.
In CEP 1.2a, this was increased to over 12 gig by spliting temp files into several sections.

What does this mean? Lets say you have CEP 1.2 and you just recorded a session that has 8 tracks. All the 8 tracks got recorded into a single temp file. So if you recorded 30 minutes, this would trun out to be 30 minutes x 8 tracks = 240 minutes x 10MB (per minute) = 2400 MB or 2.4 gigs. So your temp file is now 2.4gigs. Now, that's OK because windows has a 4 gig limitation per file (in this case a CEP temp file). But what if you recorded for 1 hour? This would become almost 5 gigs and would go over windows 4 gig limitation (in 95/98/ME only). This could cause problem for people who are recording multiple tracks for a long time.

In 1.2a, we modified CEP to create multiple temp files that are smaller than 4 gigs. So if you record something longer than 1 hour, it goes from tempfile1 to tempfile2 and so on. This way we are bypassing windows limitation.

So, now you know. And I think this was Rogier's problem. Somehow he got past the 4 gig limitation and CEP started behaving strangly.

Here is a related post:
'3 Hour Limit on WAVs?'

--Syntrillium Support

rogier · Posted - Thu Jun 07, 2001 8:15 am

`thanx for the help all!
I've downloaded the 1.2a upgrade now and I hope the problem is gone forgood.I have been running under NT,but I still can't be satisfied with this microsoft crap.It always seems to be causing more problems than it's worth
rogier

Wildduck · Posted - Thu Jun 07, 2001 4:11 pm

Syntrillium Support · Location: USA

Hi WildDuck

>> Any chance of confirming that there is no limitation in NT/2000 in either FAT32 or NTFS?

You can probably find this info on microsoft site. I just know that's so because I read it some where and our developers confirmed this when I asked them.

>> Second, what limits apply to the 2 versions of Cool2000?

Cool Edit 2000 version 1.1 is based on the same engine (codes) as CEP 1.2a. So anything I said about CEP 1.2a applies to CE2000 v1.1 (in regards to HD and file sizes/usage).

--Syntrillium Support

Wildduck · Posted - Fri Jun 08, 2001 3:18 am

Thanks.
I've now dug out the MS Windows 2k resource kit, turned to page 721, and started to worry.
If I've understood this right, it seems that:

FAT32 Max PARTITION size : 32Gb Interestingly, another MS doc I found on their site gives a different excuse for this. Both say this is a W2k feature and other OS's may not have the limit.

** Hopefully this doesn't apply to Windows 98, because I thought I'd partitioned some 60Gb drives with bigger partitions than this in W98 last week!

Max File size 2 to the power of 32 minus 1bytes, which I make 4 gigs. :-(

NTFS Max file Size 2 to the power of 44 -64KB. This is not a terribly well written formula (does the KB relate to the 2^44 or just the 64?), but is huge.

Max partition size is quoted in clusters, but appears to be similarly huge.

Hope some of this helps someone avoid a disaster.