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densma Posts: 3	Posted - Sun May 27, 2001 2:21 pm  is it posible to remove vocal from wav or mp3 file and leave it instrumental only? how? thks much
AvoidNF8 Posts: 36	Posted - Sun May 27, 2001 2:50 pm  Well the easiest way is to not plug the microphone in when you record it in the first place But barring that I will Quote Syntrillium Support from an earlier thread. "Vocal Cut" only works on some stereo files; it depends on the vocals being in the center of the stereo image. If they're off to one side or another, it won't work. This feature works on only about 50% of files. Here's more information on how the file has to be structured. Use the Vocal Cut preset found under the Transform>Amplitude>Channel Mixer menu to remove the vocals from stereo recordings. This preset will sum the left channel with the inverse of the right, and place the result into both channels. On music where the vocals are equally loud on both channels, the vocals will disappear, or come close to disappearing. Note that the Vocal Cut preset is ineffective on monophonic recordings and stereo recordings in which the vocals are not in the center of the stereo image.
invader9000 Posts: 299	Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 2:14 am  Oh not again!
beetle Location: USA Posts: 2591	Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 3:06 am  There must be some HUGE misconception with the public that this can be done. Where is all of this coming from??? Edited by - beetle on 05/29/2001 08:20:42 AM
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 3:42 am  How about a new forum with just one locked topic in it, and remove the 'new topic' button. Oh, and in the new topic handler for all the forums a key phrase detector for 'remove vocals' which won't let you start the topic? Trouble is, I suspect that they'll find a way around all of this... Steve _________________
invader9000 Posts: 299	Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 6:13 am  Next time i see a topic like that, i will just bybass it. Period!
RobertM Posts: 299	Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 9:11 am  I thing that Avoid's advice was very good, and clearly addressed the question without putting the whole weight of this topic on Densma's shoulders. Densma, I'm sure, doesn't know all of the history of 'vocal cut' in this forum, and is now just beginning to learn. Welcome, Densma! . Do a search on 'vocal': there's ton's of information. As for the rest of us.... I think Invader's got it right: this is one topic that many of us will just have to look past. It would be nice if new users would spend some time going over past postings before floating their first question, but that is precisely what many of them don't know to do. That's what makes them new members of the forum. It can be frustrating to answer the same question repeatedly, and Synt is particularly well skilled in this regard, but it is an important part of the mentoring process. That's what we all are: mentors, whether we like it or not! We should always keep this in mind, and especially so when establishing communications with new members. (PS for Beetle: I regard you as a member who has very strong skills in dealing with simple or complex or even silly questions, but this topic does seems to get the better of you! Just a friendly observation. )
urumuqi74 Posts: 1038	Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 12:03 pm  Hey Beetle, how do you remove music and keep the vocal only? Can it be done? :---) I also have the impression that a "removing the vocal" conspiracy exits in this community!!! _________________ The truth is out there!
AvoidNF8 Posts: 36	Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 1:04 pm  Quote: I just did a search of this topic and found that almost all of the people asking this question seem to have the following in common: post only twice have hotmail accounts or have suspect e-mail account names Hey My E-mail account is Hotmail (Since I dont want to give my Microsoft E-mail account to the world) and My name is suspect.... Does that make me part of the conspiracy :) Actually I think the easiest fix to this problem is if Syntrilliun would address it in the FAQ section and Help sections. I am assuming that it isnt already... Perhaps I am wrong since I have never had a need to do this I have never looked for information on it.
urumuqi74 Posts: 1038	Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 1:23 pm  Quote: Hey My E-mail account is Hotmail (Since I dont want to give my Microsoft E-mail account to the world) and My name is suspect.... Does that make me part of the conspiracy [\quote] Yes. I have an e-mail account too!!! Quote: Actually I think the easiest fix to this problem is if Syntrilliun would address it in the FAQ section and Help sections. I am assuming that it isnt already... Perhaps I am wrong since I have never had a need to do this I have never looked for information on it. From experience, people are not consulting the past thread of this forum. I think it's only driven by human nature, the less effort law!!! Old threads are old threads, there's not too much interaction to be made there. I think that the most efficient way of solving the problem would be to reserve a section for the top 10 most asked questions. Nevertheless, people will still ask. I guess that patience is the way to go!!! :-))) _________________ The truth is out there! AvoidNF8 Posts: 36 Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 1:41 pm  We have to remember that Bullentin Boards, Forums, and news groups are used as a "Last Resort" because the answers can takes days or even weeks to come forth. When we start seeing the same questions pop up in these forums, it indicates a lack of attention paid to a problem in the "immediate help" fields. A top 10 questions would be an idea.. but that is generaly the same as a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions). So Syntrillium should post this topic in there FAQ section on the Main web site since users are going to it even before they are coming to this forum. The next version of CE should have this field addressed in the help section / tutorials to avoid the user even having to turn to the web for answers. Or perhaps even a more obvious preset.. Like Transform > Special > Vocal Cut. With a small explanation in the Pop up box. RobertM Posts: 299 Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 1:45 pm  Avoid..., I presume that you copied the Synt quote from their answer to a previous post. From "Erasing The Vocals from a song" perhaps?? The text of their response in that posting is almost word-for-word from their FAQ #43 (CEP) or FAQ#42 (CE2K). I don't know what's in the help files, but I imagine that it is well covered. I guess that's the point. That the info is there, but that newbies don't really know where to look because they are not familiar with their new-found surroundings. We can lament all we'd like about how they ought to know better, and should do a thorough search of the available info before posting a question, but the reality is that some people just prefer to ask a real live person, especially when they stumble across a convenient forum of knowledgeable and helpful fellow users. A quick and friendly nudge is all that is normally required; "I think there's a FAQ about that..." or "Try searcing for ....", etc. The newbie gets an answer to their question plus a hint on how to go about finding answers to subsequent questions. I suppose that I'm going on and on about this because it is my fear that newbies will not understand our sense of humour about some topics, and they may end up feeling put off rather than welcomed. Yes, Uru, if we accept that new members will always exist (I certainly hope so) then patience will remain a virtue... AvoidNF8 Posts: 36 Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 2:02 pm  "Why the "Vocal Cut" preset in /Transform/Channel Mixer doesn't always work." If I were a user Searching for "How to remove Vocals" Why would I look at this? The topic does not address what I am needing to do. I want to "Remove Vocals" and not "Cut" them.. Also this topic would seem to explain why it doesnt always work... I am searching for how to do it in the first place. Searching CEP's Help files for "Remove Vocals" I found 0 under the General Tab..0 under the Index (For "Remove Vocals" However "Vocal Cut" was listed) and 1 instance under Find. One of the keys to addressing new users is understanding not only do they not know how to use the software and are unfamiliar with its tab, buttons etc... They are also unfamiliar with the Terminology. Many of the users CE gets are brand new to editing digital music. CE goes a LONG way to helping them learn the concepts. However I think that some of the terminology needs to be put in more "layman" Terms... Especially in the HELP files and FAQ's. You need to address what the user is trying to do... RobertM Posts: 299 Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 2:17 pm  Avoid, I agree with you, and I hope you agree with me. Your points: New users should search through FAQs and help files first. FAQ's and help files should be written and organized so that unfamiliar users can make effective use of them. My point: Where the above fails, and the new user asks for help, we offer both help and respect. Gotta go... talk to you tomorrow! Heavens to Betsy Location: USA Posts: 508 Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 8:48 pm  I tend to agree with Beetle--and what's the fascination with removing vocals from a damned song? I know Kareoke is all the rage in Tokyo, sure, but this "vocal cut" stuff seems to be out of proportion with the natural inclination to write one's own song. Why not just sing along, as-is? You don't want to try to outcroon Johnny Cash. Hey, Syntrillium, is there any way we can invert the "vocal cut" questions so they disappear from the forum, leaving only non-asinine topics? Syntrillium Support Location: USA Posts: 165 Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 9:57 pm  Hi Everyone, You all have wonderful ideas and we need to hear these ideas. Before I explain the changes we have planed for this forum, I would like to emphasize that this forum if for all users Experts and Novices. If a new users ask a FAQ question and you don't want to deal with it, just skip it. We’ll take care of answering them on week days. If you like to help us, you can guide the to the correct FAQ answer or simply post the answer. After all, we were all novice at some point in time. And yes, there is an FAQ on our support site on how to do a "Vocal Cut". Our web department is very busy working on other parts of the web site. I had asked them to make the following changes, but they haven’t had chance to make these changes. I’ll ask them again. I have requested the following: On the top center of the forum, create two search areas and make the very obvious. 1. Search FAQ for your answer. 2. Search the forum for your answer. These two are currently on top of the forum, but users don’t use them (I guess because they don't see them). We’ll make it more obvious and bring them to center with search box already there. We may also consider posting top 3 FAQs on top of the forum as well. It depends how the modified search works out. And yes, we need to re-word or add other words to our FAQ so users can find the answer to their questions no matter what they type. Currently "remove voice" does not return any results and I’ll ask our web developers to help solve this problems as well. If the above measures do not work, we may make a new forum category and call it some thing like "newbie area". Users can post questions about vocal cut, or CD ripping and similar frequently asked questions. Again (as RobertM stated) I request from all you guys and gals to be mentors to new members and help them without criticizing them. And we (Syntrillium) will do our part by changing this forum and our site so that it’s easier to find answers to common questions. If you have any other idea on how to make this forum better or other solutions for this issue, please feel free to email me at --Syntnrillium Support _________________ Detlev Dalitz Posts: 141 Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 10:54 pm  Quote: You all have wonderful ideas Yeahhhh.... I think we do not need a ghetto forum for the newbies. Please put some more effort into building up a better forum search machine. Please give the searcher the chance to find articles in a time range of about two years ago or so. And don't forget: A quick short human reply to a silly question can give you the hint into the right direction. That can save you hours and hours of searching in the ocean of the internet. We all know that the internet and the search machines can give us information on the fingertip from all over the world, from all the single people which feed the net to build up an unlimited knowledge base of all what human being is. But sometimes the information is too much, so we didn't find the the tree in the wood. .. and, sorry, I forgot, the internet don't kiss me. Quote: If a new users ask a FAQ question and you don't want to deal with it, just skip it. I request from all you guys and gals to be mentors to new members and help them without criticizing them. DD.20010529.0750 urumuqi74 Posts: 1038 Posted - Tue May 29, 2001 8:28 am  Beetle reply coming!!! I can feel it!!! _________________ The truth is out there! Syntrillium M.D. Location: USA Posts: 5124 Posted - Tue May 29, 2001 10:03 am  Okay...Ice-cream for everyone! Nothing like ice-cream on a hot summer day! Happy recording (and use of non-sequiturs) ---Syntrillium Support _________________ beetle Location: USA Posts: 2591 Posted - Tue May 29, 2001 10:48 am  Yup! Here it is! Soooo, what do you all think about this current craze of trying to turn mono mixes into fake stereo? jester700 Posts: 546 Posted - Tue May 29, 2001 1:53 pm  There is a better way to do this than CEP, if you really NEED a crappy sounding "vacal eliminated" track... It's a little prog called "YoGen vocal remover". http://www.yogen.com/vr.html Allows you to hear the effect in real time *and* adjust the LF cutoff in real time. Then save the "cooked" file. It only works on whole files, and in the end is no better than the CEP script (and doesn't have the fake stereo trick, which I don't like anyhow), but it IS a quick n' dirty way to do it, or even have a quick listen to see whether it's WORTH doing on that track. Syntrillium M.D. Location: USA Posts: 5124 Posted - Tue May 29, 2001 2:00 pm  Well, you know that you do have real-time preview of the vocal cut as well...of course, there's no low pass filter on ours. :-) ---Syntrillium Support _________________    Topic

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