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liquoricegirl
Location: Canada
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 Posted - Mon Aug 11, 2003 7:18 pm
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If anyone out there has any surefire ideas about this one, I would be so grateful....
I have a new EchoMia installed - works great. I got a Yamaha MG12/4 mixer and finally figured out where the cables should go, and it's recording and monitoring good. Trouble is: there's this weird poping sound that's intermitant during record and playback and I can't isolate it.
-Headphones are new, tried old pair, problem still exists.
-guitar cable and mic cable are also new.
-sound is not recorded on track.
-everything (computer, monitor, amp, mixer) is in the same room, however pops still happen with amp off.
-didn't have this problem with old soundcard
Any ideas?
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jonrose
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Posted - Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:52 pm
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Perhaps the buffer settings that worked for your old card aren't appropriate for this one... that's worth a look.
I'll assume you went into device properties and made sure that you're not using Windoze "WaveMapper" - that Cool Edit is pointed at the MIA card directly.... ?
What OS are you running? Is the old audio card still in the system, by chance? If not, did you uninstall its drivers before yanking it out of the machine?
Just brainstorming, here... but I think it may be an optimization issue, first and foremost.
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Best... -Jon
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ozpeter
Location: Australia
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Posted - Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:32 pm
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So it only happens during playback? And presumably, not always at the same spot, from what you say. Does it happen when the 'transport' isn't running (ie duing pause or stop)? Are 'system sounds' turned off? (You asked for an answer and all I've done is ask questions!).
- Ozpeter
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liquoricegirl
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Posted - Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:49 pm
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I have EchoMia selected for both playback and record. For playback I have Mia 3/4 Virtual Out. I don't know if that's correct? For record I have Mia 1/2 Analogue selected.
I seem to have Wave Mapper still listed in Cool Edit's list of soundcards I can choose from, but when I go into my computer control pannel only Soundblaster Live and Echo Mia are listed. My computer uses the Soundblaster card still, while only Cool Edit is set up for the Mia. One reason for this was because I was told that my computer would want to change the Mia's settings everytime I used it for streaming off the web etc. and that Windows ME was usually fine with both soundcards living in it.
When I listen through my computer speakers headphone jack, I don't hear those annoying sparotic popping sounds. Only through the mixer from the Mia using the headphone jack (I don't have monitor speakers yet).
Weird. It's making recording really distracting.
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liquoricegirl
Location: Canada
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Posted - Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:55 pm
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Hi Ozpeter,
Yah, system sounds are all off. The popping happens during record too but it doesn't actually record onto the track. Also, when I put my cursor on part of a track, for example, then press play, I hear that clicky poppy sound initially the instant it starts to play.
I'm trying to remember if I've heard it while on pause. I'm not sure, but it definitely happens when the transport is running. Is there a setting in Cool Edit, a buffer thing maybe, that could be causing a conflict with Mia?
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ozpeter
Location: Australia
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Posted - Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:18 am
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Your problem is ringing memory bells (my memory, not your PC's memory!) but I can't find what I had in mind. However your expanded description of the problem should produce some knowledgeable replies before long - I know there is at least one member using this card in the UK where it's just getting to breakfast time right now. Watch this space....
- Ozpeter
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ozpeter
Location: Australia
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Posted - Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:36 am
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Parting thought - Options > Device Properties > Wave out > Try as WDM (try that box checked and unchecked to see if there is any difference in either setting). A shot in the twilight which should only take you a moment to try.
- Ozpeter
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alofoz
Location: Australia
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Posted - Tue Aug 12, 2003 6:00 am
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Must be Catholic.
Sorry, that was really mean.
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SteveG
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Posted - Tue Aug 12, 2003 8:08 am
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Since it's WinME you are using, I have to say that the Mia behaves a lot better if you don't use the WDM drivers - even the later ones. So when you install the card, you for the setting that Echo recommend, ie the VxD driver.
And it is worth looking at the number of buffers you are using. On the DAW here with the Mia, CEP is set to use 10 2sec buffers, and it performs fine like this.
The other thing that may well have a bearing on this is the card's slot position, and this is entirely dependent on your particular MOBO. The obvious thing to do is to put the Mia in another slot and try again - sometimes the way that IRQs are handled can make a big difference to the card's performance.
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liquoricegirl
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Posted - Tue Aug 12, 2003 10:34 am
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Hi Steve,
The buffers per sec. checks out ok, so the next thing I'm going to do is uninstall Wave Mapper (the original card that came with ME) and go from there. I'll let you all know how the mystery is solved.
Thanks for everyone's input  (not sure about the Catholic one... )
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jonrose
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Posted - Tue Aug 12, 2003 11:21 am
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WaveMapper is just Windoze way of addressing audio hardware - forget about it. If it's not selected, it does nothing.
Like Steve said, try moving the MIA over a slot.
Best... -Jon
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liquoricegirl
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Posted - Tue Aug 12, 2003 11:33 am
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ok, will do.
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liquoricegirl
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Posted - Tue Aug 12, 2003 9:45 pm
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While I'm waiting for my tech to call me back about this issue (I'm not one to deal with moving things around inside my computer), I have isolated the problem to the outputs of the echo mia. Seems, on playback, when I touch the cables on the Echo Outs the whole vinal crackly popping sound goes crazy. This is a big shot in the dark, but, could it have anything to do with the connections in those outputs? Has anyone ever heard of this being a problem before?
:O
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liquoricegirl
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Posted - Tue Aug 12, 2003 9:57 pm
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ok, I may have solved the mystery: I just switched (ballanced) cables and there was an instant problem with the connection coming from the outputs of the Echo Mia. In fact, one side was so bad that I only had audio on the left channel of my headphones. I'm sure this is the problem now.
A bit of a bummer because I have to replace the soundcard. I hope I'm right - does anyone have any thoughts before I rip it out?X(
On the brighter side, I could have been wondering what to do for days............weeks........egad!
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jonrose
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Posted - Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:55 am
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Well, I guess at this point, all I can add is, if this is a brand new MIA card, I'd certainly be checking out those cables, as well...
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Best... -Jon
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liquoricegirl
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Posted - Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:19 pm
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Hi Jon,
I couldn't argue with what you said last, so I tried uninstalling the Echo driver and reinstalling the update driver for ME. So far, no pops clicks, nadda.
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SteveG
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Posted - Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:50 pm
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Sounds like it's all coming together at last...
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jonrose
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Posted - Wed Aug 13, 2003 4:58 pm
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Well, alrighty-then! Another success story...
Happy recording, D.!
:)
Best... -Jon
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liquoricegirl
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Posted - Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:21 pm
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It's been a great recording day, thanks 
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