How can I use Audition to record streaming Internet radio ?

Hi. A friend's son is an DJ - "Rhino" - on a college radio show. He's really good - a natural talent. Told him to record his show as a resume.

How can I use Audition 3.0 to do record this show as well?


Radio Show: Skindy Rock - Ska music | indie rock

Host : Ryan Hutson | Monday Night  - 10PM to 1AM EST USA

With the right internal soundcard you can send  the soundcard's output stream through the card's mixing chip, then select the mixer output as the recording input in the program (all in the digital realm). This is easy and works well with my Audiophile 2496. Most Creative cards had some similar facility. It probably works with many  built-in cards too.

Without an appropriate soundcard you can usually use a helper application such as Total Recorder or Virtual Audio Cable, depending on what works in your particular OS version.

Otherwise, It you may be limited to going D to A and feeding the analogue back into the computer again.

Setup: XPPro | Sound card = Mona (only sound card in PC)

When I run the internet radio stream, I see sound on Mona analog output 1|2. Don't know how to route that as input into Audition 3.0.

I've used Virtual Audio Cable long time ago.......

Open up the recording side (not always obvious but it should be there as a choice) of either the Windows Mixer or the software mixer that came with your Mona sound card (depending what you have).  Look for a selection that calls itself "Wave Out" or "What U Hear" or similar and select that as the source for recording.  Adjust levels and hit record in Audition.

Bob

With the right internal soundcard you can send  the soundcard's output stream through the card's mixing chip, then select the mixer output as the recording input in the program (all in the digital realm).

My setup: XPpro | Mona soundcard | NVIDIA chip on A7N8x Deluxe AMD system board. Sound and Audio Devices Properties - using WDM drivers in MONA, below the volume bar, the Advanced tab is active and opens into a playback mixer. Output Analog out 1-2. Adobe Audition 3.0 Audio Hardware setup (edit view) - default input is Mona analog 1. Default output Mona analog 1/2.

Open up the recording side (not always obvious but it should be there as a choice) of either the Windows Mixer or the software mixer that came with your Mona sound card (depending what you have).  Look for a selection that calls itself "Wave Out" or "What U Hear" or similar and select that as the source for recording.  Adjust levels and hit record in Audition.

Don't have  "Wave Out" or "What U Hear." NVIDIA onboard audio + Mona Soundcard. Mona recording side is blank. Volume / Advanced - Mixer - Mona 1-2 Analog in - the OK in the bottom of the mixer window is greyed out. Hear sound in the Analog out 1-2 in the Mona mixer. (edit view) - default input is Mona analog 1 and Default output Mona analog 1/2. It doesn't connect..... Can't record in AA 3.0.

What other Mona inputs are available apart from Analog 1? Are there not any Monitor inputs available further down the list?

Monitor inputs -

Edit view Default input
[01M] Mona Analog 1

expanding the list
[02M] Mona Analog 2
[03M] Mona Analog 3
[04M] Mona Analog 4
[05M] Mona S/PDIF1
[06M] Mona S/PDIF2 
[01S] Mona Analog 1
[02S] Mona Analog 2
[03S] Mona S/PDIF1

If this helps, got VAC 4.10 (15.00 off / upgrade). Tried earlier this morning to configure it.  Set "Sounds and Audio Devices" : playback to VAC 1 with recording to Mona Analog 1. Didn't record.

there are at least two 'sides' to issues like this . . . first is pretty easy to check
 
ignoring AA for the moment are you able to hear sound (internet radio) via the Mona card? 

if you can't and the Mona is your only AA option you're not going to be able to record

typically the internet 'stuff' only routes through the systems default soundcard even if the Mona is the only card it might not be configured as the default  but an exercise is to run the mona configuration utility and see if you can force it to be the system default sound

unfortunately it is quite possible that you will run into the same issues with VAC that you are with the mona card and internet sound in general

Hi Oratez -

Yes I hear sound trough the Mona card. I set Sounds and Audio Devices with Mona drivers as default for both playback and recording.

Network Adapters
Disabled - NVIDIA nForce MCP Networkign Adapter

Sound, video, and game controllers
Disabled - NVIDIA nForce (TM) Audio Codec Interface
Disabled - NVIDIA nForce (TM) Audio Processing Unit
Working - Mona

I don't think Echo soundcards provide for internal access to the mixer chip output; this seems to be the case for my Echo Mia. When I was trying to figure out how to do it in my Mia computer once upon a time, SteveG told me that only a fool would ever want to capture such audio streams with a professional sound card (or some equivalent words) and that the existence of this functionality on some cards (e.g. the M-Audio Audiophile 2496) proved they weren't t really  serious audio cards.

I've never used VAC but my understanding of my reading on it is that it is a way around the soundcard disfunctionality. The data is there, moving through the system on the way to the card's analogue out. VAC (and other similar applications exist) are tools to tap the data stream and direct a copy somewhere else. Likewise, Total Recorder "listens" to the data as it flows by and writes a copy to a hard disk file (not via Audition or another recording application).

Oretez's statement about the Window's default audio device almost certainly applies to Total Recorder but VAC may be more versatile.

Try using the NVidia option rather than the Mona - that option will probably have a Wave Out slider or similar in the recording mixer.

James.

I don't know anything about the Mona, but if it's a good card, surely you can just use a real audio cable from the output to the input. On my Tascam FW-1884, I take the spdif out to the spdif in as this is a way of getting the whole mix to record at the same time as the individual channels.

Also, I'm sure that "Record through Total Recorder" shows up here as an input on Audition 1.5. I can't check this with AA3, as I don't have the two programs together at the moment on any machine. Total Recorder will also record on its own.

But it is probably easier to use the on-board sound.

I don't think Echo soundcards provide for internal access to the mixer chip output; this seems to be the case for my Echo Mia.

Good point.

When I was trying to figure out how to do it in my Mia computer once upon a time, SteveG told me that only a fool would ever want to capture such audio streams with a professional
sound card (or some equivalent words) and that the existence of this functionality on some cards (e.g. the M-Audio Audiophile 2496) proved they weren't really  serious audio cards.

Again good insight.

Will play with VAC when I get time to better understand it. A long time ago I had it working, biut then I had a Soundblaster Card with the Mona. Put the Mona card on a A7N8x Deluxe PC I built myself. PC is a temp computer until I trade stock options | license songs and have the $$$ to buy what I need.

Usually disable the NVIDIA sound chip forcing audio to go throgh the Mona card to get PW purewave.

[TURN OFF]

Found a solution!!!!!!!

Think of splitting the music: Half going to soundcard CH 1/2 headphones as live source; and the other half going directly to recording software | hard disk.

Virtual Audio Cable - a great way to record quality audio live off the internet directly to your harddisk bypassing your soundcard.....

XPPro Soundcard setup:
Windows XP Sound and Device Properties
Audio Tab
Default Device = VAC 1
Sound Recording
Default device = VAC 1

- You will only hear sound when Audio Repeater 01 is started (VAC 1 IN | Unknown OUT)
- I use 9632| set Audio for 1000 ms buffer
- TURN OFF - all updates - ie MSFT | Google Updates - Control Panel | Services - before recording - reason obvious


Music from Browser (Chrome | Firefox) connects to - VAC 1 IN | Audio Repeater 01 | Vac Unknown OUT
Music from Browser (Chrome | Firefox) connects to - VAC 1 IN | Audio Repeater 02 | Vac 2 OUT
AR 01 - VAC 1 OUT will virtually connect to inputs of CH 1/2 of soundcard
AR 02 - VAC 2 OUT will virtually connect to AA 1.5 when "VAC 2" are set in AA 1.5 software as recording inputs

Audio Repeater 01 = VAC 1 IN - Unknown OUT - Sound goes from browser to EchoAudio Gina 3G soundcard CH1/2 to headphones / speakers (live - source audio)
Audio Repeater 02 = VAC 1 IN - VAC 02 OUT - browser direct to recording software with IN = VAC 2 | OUT = CH3/4 (PW) - browser to recording software (AA 1.5) to hard disk
Recording software: Adobe Audition 1.5 - you can select VAC 2 as IN and PW CH 3/4 as OUT. AA 3.01 does not have that option.


VAC 4.12 - Problems
Soundcard may change audio drivers from WMD to Echo Audio | Purewave (PW) and Audio Repeater 01 (VAC 1 IN | Unknown OUT) feeding soundcard - may stop | disappear | go silent
If you're recording, it's possible the recording will continue of if Audio Repeater 02 (VAC 2 IN | PW 3/4 OUT) is undisturbed.

Solution:
After recording - when you can take a break - close browser (Chrome | Firefox)  - Close recording software (AA 1.5) - Stop Audio Repeater(s).
Change audio driver to Purewave. Apply - Update now. THEN change to WMD. Apply - Update now.
Test with mp4 video. If you hear sound - all is OK.
Create AR 01 (VAC 1 IN | VAC Unknown OUT) - start AR 01| AR 02
Open AA1.5 - get ready to rec. Start music from browser and you're on your way again!!

It's only taken you the best part of two years to get there and it sounds really complicated to me.

I would have just bought a cheap soundcard - such as Creative make - and used that for this project. Would have been done in half an hour.