recording problems with audiophile 2496

hello everybody, am having a daft problem. first ill explain to you my setup

guitar>preamp>di>mixer channel1 (behringer ub1202)

main out of mixer L R > L R of audiophile 2496

main outs of audiophile L R > channels 3 & 4 of mixer

monitors hooked up to control room sockets

well, this is my first time trying to record something over a backing track using 2496. but whenever i press record the playback track records again! with the recording signa (in this case, guitar, as well). i am trying all the combinations in the 2496 control panel, patchbay router settings. I ve also even tried hooking monitors directly to the outs of the audiophile 2496, but same thing. inside audition, my default device properties are set to (wave out: delta multi, and wave in is set to delta mon.mixer). same is in device order as well. can somebody help?

when i had my cheap creative live sound card before, i just used to turn the wav/out tab off, and switch the microphone on, to stop re-recording of the playback track.

any help will be very appreciated

saif

If you want to monitor the existing tracks plus new incoming tracks you do two things with the soundcard's control panel.
On the Patchbay/Router tab, at the far left, you direct the hardware output (the existing tracks) to flow through the Monitor Mixer.
On the Monitor Mixer tab you unmute both the hardware in (new signal) and the wave out (already existing recording).
This sends the mixed signals to the output jacks.
If you record from the Monitor Mixer (in the recording program) you are recording the mixed signals. You need to select the direct hardware input in the recording program to record only the new signal.

I recall there is something screwy in the setup under WinXp, but since I'm using Win98, where everything is very straightforward, I haven't remembered just what happens differently under XP.

thanks mate, i tried selecting both monitor mixer tabs in teh patchbay panel, and i sent my monitors through directly the outs of the 2496, it is working now but, is there no way i can do the same thing through the mixer? is it because i am feeding the the outs into the mixer ins again? do i need a seperate bus mixer just to route the guitar channels into the mixer? becaus as of now everything is going through the main outs.

thanks

any chance i can turn up the playback volume of the recording signal without turning up the recording volume in 2496?

I've never used an analogue mixer and unfortunately I don't  really understand what you are trying to accomplish. I'm sure quite a few people who visit here are much more educated, so maybe one of them will respond.

I read your volume question as saying the input level for recording is correct, so you don't want to change that, but its output for monitoring is too low so you want to increase that without effecting the recording itself. That is something that would have to happen in the analogue domain, after the soundcard outputs. I guess that ties into the first question about using the mixer: if you could do whatever mixing you want in the mixer, you could probably also amplify it.

...i tried selecting both monitor mixer tabs in teh patchbay panel, and i sent my monitors through directly the outs of the 2496, it is working now but, is there no way i can do the same thing through the mixer? is it because i am feeding the the outs into the mixer ins again? do i need a seperate bus mixer just to route the guitar channels into the mixer? becaus as of now everything is going through the main outs.

If I understand you correctly, the answer is that yes, you need a separate bus. You have to separate the inputs and outputs completely to monitor like this, and the usual way to achieve this is either to use the A/B return on the mixer (which simply switches the monitor feed from being the output of the mixer to being the output of the soundcard), and use the soundcard's monitor facilities to allow the monitoring of input and previously recorded tracks, or, to use an external mixer with enough busses to achieve this externally.

With the right external mixer, it's potentially less confusing to use completely external monitoring, but I have to say that whichever method you choose can cause some confusion...

thanks steve, you understood it right. i guess ill have to get a seperate bus mixer, as this one dont have it. anyother way of splitting the snd card out signals into monitors and headphones?

thanks

You need to feed the output of the Audiophile soundcard into the Tape in phono sockets. Then by pressing the Tape to Control Room button you can monitor the computer output completely independently of your mix feeding into the PC and can set your monitoring level using the HP/Control Room knob. If you ever need to mix the return from the PC with the other channels you can press the Tape to Mix button, but beware howl rounds.

thanks mate! i was thinking about that as well, but gotta get the cables to try it out. nice idea. hopefully it'll work and save me getting a new mixer. cheers mate

saif

it worked great, thanks everyone  

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I know this is a bit late in the day and you now have it working the way you want, but I though I should mention that the way a 'proper' studio does this sort of thing is via the auxiliary sends.  The basic setup goes thus;

You feed your exsisting recorded part/s into the mixer channels, pulling down the channel faders, so they are not sending the signal/s to the recording bus.  You feed your guitar (or whatever part you now want to record) into a channel and raise the channel and main faders to the correct recording level.

Now, you set up a mix of all these parts on an auxiliary send and listen to the aux out for that send.  The only drawback is you need pre-fade send (which is pretty standard on most mixers, since this is also the way you set up a foldback to the studio musicians) and as far as I can see, the only aux send on your mixer is post-fade.

Next mixer you buy - make certain you have both pre and post-fade auxiliaries or, if there is only one, that it can be switched to either mode.